Is the Royal Family Really Racist?
Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome to ATP Report. It's the Katie and Barry show, which means Katie Hopkins is here with us today, but in North America, no longer in Britain. Hi, Katie.
Katie Hopkins: Nearly in North America, proper, yeah. But as it happens here, where I am in Mexico, my Wi-Fi is actually better than at my home address in the UK. Who'd have thought it?
Barry Nussbaum: Exactly, way to go, Mexico. I want to ask you about something that seems a little bit silly, but it's all anybody's talking about in the United States, with the exception of Biden falling asleep on camera.
That is your royal family and the big blow-up with Oprah that happened a couple of days ago. You were telling me that you actually know Piers Morgan, and let's start with that. He walked off the morning show on live camera, and you have an inside scoop. Why did he do it?
Katie Hopkins: Yeah, absolutely. Piers and I were kind of brother and sister, so to speak, on MailOnline. He was the lead columnist, and I was the female lead columnist. We go back a fair old way. He invited me to his highly sought-after Christmas party. I have to add that I did not go.
But Piers Morgan is, you know, he knows the game he's playing. He's a brilliant, brilliant media operator. You may love him. You may hate him, but he is such a sophisticated user of the media. He walked off because he had been deluged by criticism, and Piers doesn't take criticism well.
More complaints through the official regulator Ofcom than ever in any program in history. Forty-one thousand complaints. Meghan Markle herself complaining to the show, which would have terrified the producers. I think, and I believe he was told he had to make an on-air apology and a written apology.
He refused, and so he walked off. Now, of course, he's being lorded in many quarters as a kind of ambassador for free speech. Whereas really, the row was about the fact that he said he didn't believe Meghan Markle's mental health story.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, you know, I watched the Oprah thing, and without knowing the background and without having anything verified, anybody can say anything. Once it goes out into the public, it becomes, well, semi, if not completely factual in the minds of the vast majority of viewers.
I mean, the biggest question from America's perspective right now is you have a lady in the royal family who left the royal family with her husband, who was in line succession to be King someday, possibly over, among other things, a claim by her and her husband that the royal family is racist. What do you make of it?
Katie Hopkins: This is the thing, Barry. You're a media operator. You know how this works. If you were Oprah, what's the one thing you want out of Meghan for that interview? You want some scoop about color and the royal family.
You want something on that because you want that to be the explosive issue. What's the most and the easiest way to detonate a hand grenade in a room in America right now? It is to whip up the Black Lives Matter movement, and Meghan Markle is a sophisticated expert at segmenting people according to victim status and weaponizing it.
he did it when she spoke about her miscarriage. Very sad, but that has a certain amount of sort of power to her. Then it became mental health. We saw this with Oprah. She said she was suicidal but that no one cared. So now she's got mental health. Then, they questioned Archie's color. They said he would be too black. Now she's got the Black Lives Matter ticket, as well.
She basically lined up every victimhood status you can have, and she made it- you can't criticize any of those things as Piers Morgan learned to his cost. My personal opinion, Barry, has been that she is a manipulator. I completely agree with Piers’ opinion that she'll make up anything to advance herself.
My biggest question of all to make is, and it remains unanswered, is why on earth did she marry into that family when it's perfectly obvious it's not a normal setup? No one goes into that thinking it's going to be like, oh yeah, a regular mom and dad, you know, a regular grandma. She's the Queen. It's different. Get over it.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, look, we really don't know. I happen to personally have a great aversion to unnamed sources. I just hate it, and the one thing she did was she unnamed, the one unnamed source. Which is it didn't come from the Queen or her husband.
This leaves out, well, everybody else in the family, plus the firm with an unsubstantiated claim of, well, racism. We don't know what we don't know, so it's very hard to opine. I want to respond to something you just said about manipulation.
I saw about two dozen Instagram posts that she put up long before she was in the royal family. Very sexy, provocative poses with various guys in various situations. She looked like an Instagram media darling. You know, hey, look at me, I'm at a party. Hey, look at me, I'm at the beach. That kind of thing, you know.
Those posts, I understand, were swept away when she entered the royal family. But people capture that stuff. Like they say, the Internet is forever. It seems to me she knows very well, based on her background, how to get press. Does that seem accurate to you?
Katie Hopkins: I think that's entirely fair. This history of manipulation is there. The history of being in front of cameras and wanting to be in front of cameras and wanting attention is absolutely there. Right back from when she used to, you know, she was a perfume model for a while.
Where she held the bottle of perfume looking pretty. When she was an actress, she was white. That is on her CV, that she is a white actress. She's just learned now, of course, that it's much more valuable for her to be definitely very black indeed.
Then there are other stories that are far darker, like her wearing Princess Lady Diana's perfume to her first date with Prince Harry. From a female's perspective, one of the things men relate to, you can always smell your mother.
I can smell. I know what my mom smells like. You bring in a new girlfriend who now smells like the mother I no longer have, you've got someone there who is a next-level operator in terms of being able to manipulate people.
The thing is, she does it all the while, Barry, with this face on. I really want to get hold of her little cheeks and go (shaking cheeks) a little because she does it with this ‘I'm so pious face,’ and you know, that face is acted as well. That isn't a real face.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, someday we may know the truth, Katie. But we may never know because the royals have circled the wagons, so to speak, and the firm that runs the royal family, the non-royals, who are the support staff, permanently have circled the wagons.
We may never know. I do want to ask you one quick political question in regard to all of this. You know, I was reading that the royal family began having its powers limited by the people outside the royal family going back in the 15th and 16th century first with the House of Lords and then the House of Commons and then the royal family having great power.
But now, it's mostly limited and mostly ceremonial. We seem to be going in the opposite direction in the United States. Where we don't have a royal family but now the legislature is being bypassed dramatically by the White House which is being led by somebody who obviously isn't leading but is being manipulated by unseen forces.
Do you find it ironic that Britain seems to have tried to give its people more power while at the same time powers are being limited of the people in the United States?
Katie Hopkins: It's really strange. That's such a great observation, Barry, and I hadn't really thought about it that way but it's absolutely true. You know, the Queen and her family are very much figureheads. Someone we look to, and actually the really sweet thing is she's seen, well, I don't know, 20 prime ministers, maybe more come and go.
It is always a sort of, it reminds you of the pecking order of things when a new prime minister arrives, and it's all kind of puffed up and feeling very powerful. The Queen sort of pats him on the head and goes, yes, yes, you'll come, and you'll go. But you're right.
We have that power pushed away from the monarchy and back to the people. It is almost as if Biden has gone into some weird position as King, where no one can touch him, no one can talk to him. You can't ask him questions. He's put himself behind a massive wall.
He lives in his castle, and he sends out his minions, and we don't see him or hear from him. It reminds me of those presidents that, you know, in Algeria, their president is supposed to be dead but pretending to be alive. You know how long before that happens in America as well? If Biden died, would anyone tell us?
Barry Nussbaum: Well, certainly it wouldn't be the press, Katie, because they're not allowed to talk to him. Thanks for coming on today all the way from Mexico. We appreciate you very much.
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