9/11 Part One: Not a Jihad By Radicals!
Barry Nussbaum: Hello. Welcome to the ATP Report on this very special anniversary week of 9/11. We have two very special expert guests that I'm honored to introduce to you today. First, Clare Lopez is an internationally recognized expert on terrorism. She's a writer and a frequent expert commentator on this subject. She has an extensive background representing the United States worldwide, especially being overseas with the CIA.
Our second terrific guest is Dr. Bill Warner. He's a former college professor, a prolific writer, and the creator of the theory of political Islam. Welcome, Clare, and welcome, Bill.
So, let's start with what happened 19 years ago this week. Here's a quick summary of the facts for those of you out there that need reminding. Nineteen Islamic jihadis hijacked four American passenger jets. Nineteen men hijacked four fuel loaded U.S. commercial airplanes bound for the West Coast. From what they did, 2977 people were killed in New York City, Washington, D.C., and outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
The attack was orchestrated and planned by al Qaeda's leader, Osama bin Laden. At the World Trade Center site in lower Manhattan, 2753 people died when American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 were intentionally crashed into the north and south towers. As a result of those attacks, other people perished, including first responders. The subsequent collapse of the towers killed additional people; 343 were firefighters from New York, 23 were police officers, and 37 were officers with the Port Authority. The victims were between 2 and 85 years of age. At the Pentagon, 184 people were killed when that plane crashed into the Pentagon. Near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 40 passengers on board were killed traveling on a United Airlines Flight 93.
So, that's what happened. Since that time, many more have died from disease and injuries from the cleanup. Unfortunately, according to the medical examiner's office, only 60 percent of the victims have been positively identified. Let's talk about what happened, why it happened and what we know. Let's start with this. On 9/11, Islamic terrorists did this, right? I mean, that's what happened, but the common theme on 9/11 and shortly thereafter was, and you're going to remember this line, ‘Islam is a religion of peace’. So, were these 19 men, almost all from Saudi Arabia, crazy, nuts, or good Muslims? Bill let's start with you.
Dr. Bill Warner: Let me say that I'm a big student of Mohammed and his ability as a warrior. He created a whole new form of war, which was a civilizational war. This was not just bullets, and bombs, but the ability to use all aspects of the civilization to win for Islam. That is what we saw happen on 9/11. A very clever, if I may use the word, method of attacking one of the world's greatest powers using almost no money. I mean, the dollar effectiveness here is amazing.
So, as I say, I'm a student of Mohammed and his ability to wage war. He created a new concept called jihad. But the jihad that we saw on 9/11 is the only kind of jihad that's our friend. That may sound like a bizarre thing to thing to say, but you have to understand that the other forms of jihad, including jihad of money, pen, and speech, are far more dangerous to us than terrorists. By the way, they were not terrorists. They were jihadists. Let's make that clear.
Barry Nussbaum: So Clare, do you remember George Bush standing up and saying, "Islam is a religion of peace, and these 19 guys hijacked this religion of peace," does that make any sense either then or now to you as an expert?
Clare Lopez: I remember very well when and where he said that. He had gone to the great big Islamic center in upper northwest Washington, D.C., a few days after 9/11/2001. If folks remember, the photos taken of him inside of that Islamic center as he was speaking, I think it's notable. It's very revealing to explain who the people surrounding him in that photo are.
Right off his left shoulder was Nihad Awad, the Executive Director of CAIR, Council on American Islamic Relations, the Hamas branch in America. Hamas itself is the Palestinian branch of the jihadist Muslim Brotherhood. The others around President Bush in that photo, also are Muslim Brotherhood. He was completely co-opted, surrounded by the Brotherhood, and did not even know it.
Barry Nussbaum: So, let's be blunt. This is a series of events 19 years ago. I will never forget that day. I saw it live, and for any American that was paying attention that morning, it is something they will never forget for the rest of their lives. So do we call this a lie, or do we call it a mistake by George Bush to say that Islam is a religion of peace and these 19 hijackers, we didn't know how many there were at the time, obviously were co-opted, as you said?
Dr. Bill Warner: I think this perfectly illustrates the point which I made earlier. The form of jihad, which is the jihad of death and destruction, bullets, and bombs, they've rebuilt the tower. Bush's remarks here were this was the work of a civilizational war effort of the intelligence type, information type.
So, we're still suffering from Bush's 'This is a religion of peace' statement because it's only become worse. But what the fire and bullets did, the jihad of the sword we've recovered from. So, it just illustrates my point that jihad of speech, pen, money, and the Muslim Brotherhood is a far more dangerous event to us than al-Qaida.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, if you remember, to add on to that Bill when Donald Trump was running and was talking about the fact that there were terrorists that were Islamic, he was vilified as an Islamophobic, as if he made it up and that there's billions of peaceful Muslims, but these guys were just the crazies. Clare, am I saying that correctly?
Clare Lopez: Yeah, I remember that very well. That is exactly what happened because there is a lot of wishful thinking out there. That among the 1.6 plus billion Muslims in the world, there is a terrible fear, first of all. Then there's a terrible willingness to be deceived that there is some tiny minority of them who actually follow the doctrine of their faith, who actually believe and practice the doctrine of their faith.
If we apply that to any other faith on Earth, Christianity, Judaism, you name it and try to say that a mere tiny percentage of the Christians on Earth are the only ones who faithfully and devoutly practice their faith, that would sound absurd, wouldn't it? But somehow, when we look at the Muslims in the Islamic faith, this is the willing suspension of disbelief, I guess.
Barry Nussbaum: It is PR that started in the White House, and honestly since George Bush said that 19 years ago, it has been very rarely corrected. It would seem on 9/11, the world changed. Since then, Islamic jihad in America is here, and it seems to be becoming acceptable. The TSA rules for flying, for trade, everything was turned upside down and inside out, at least as far as America is concerned. That is when terror got to our shores. Did it start a 9/11, or did it just get here on 9/11?
Dr. Bill Warner: My goodness gracious, I ha's been here for fourteen hundred years. Remember, Mohammed, my favorite warrior said ironically, but there's some truth to it. He was a failure as a preacher of religion. He became a success only after he became a jihadist. So, this is what has led to Islam's strength.
By the way, let's go back to if the attackers on 9/11 were real Muslims. The Quran tells us that they will go directly to heaven. They will go directly to the houris and paradise. So that is Allah's judgment of those people on judgment day. Not that they were wild and crazy, but come home, men, you have a home in Allah.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, Bill, following up, your quote, "On 9/11, I looked and said, it's here, Islam is here." What did you mean by that?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, I've studied Islam several times in my life, but at the time before 9/11, I had many Muslim students. I have a very informal teaching style, and I encourage people to stop by my office. Some of them would try to pitch Islam to me. So, I became interested in what was this Islam?
I'd read the Quran, in bits and pieces, but I decided to read it cover to cover. Once I read it, cover to cover, I said, “Oh my word. I need to read Mohammed.” So, I read a biography of Mohammed, and then I thought we are in deep trouble here. Therefore, when jihad happened, I didn't need to read any books or anything else. I had already seen what was going to happen.
So that was a pivotal point in my life. It changed my life entirely. Since that day, I've devoted myself entirely to the study of Islam. "Islam is here to stay," that's what I said. Actually, what I said was, "It is Islam. It is jihad. Islam is here." My whole life changed at that moment. That's what hacks me off about all these people talking about Islam. Shut up your face, read Mohammed, read the Quran. Now come back and talk to me, and until then, shut up your face. Clare, what do you say?
Clare Lopez: I couldn't have put it any better myself. I think that it may seem daunting to people to read the entire Quran, to read the entire biography of Muhammad, or they just don't have the time or want to spend the time doing that. But you're absolutely right. Once you've done that, you cannot understand Islam ever again.
It's very clearly laid out. I mean, there's no mincing of words in those key textbooks of the Islamic canon. It is very clear that this is a doctrine of conquest and subjugation of the entire world through jihad to establish a universal Islamic state on Earth under the rule of Islamic Law, period.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, it is all there if you want to read it. It is not hidden. You don't need a codebook. You just need your two eyes and an hour and a half, and you can get through it. I want to thank both of you for coming on today in light of the fact that America will remember our dead and how the world changed 19 years ago. Bill, tell people how they can find out about you and what you do, would you, please?
Dr. Bill Warner: I have a website called PoliticalIslam.com. You can see my videos, newsletters, books, the whole nine yards. By the way, I don't really sell books. I sell educational systems. They're designed for you to educate yourself so that you, too, can know what Mohammed said and did and understand the mind of Allah.
Barry Nussbaum: Excellent. How about you, Clare, where can people find you?
Clare Lopez: Well, I don't yet have a website, but you can find much of my writing, my videos, and other presentations online at a couple of different websites. One is at TheUnitedWest.com and its partner, ShariaCrimestoppers.com. I'm also posted at the Citizen's Commission on National Security. Many of my presentations are cross posted with Brandon Howse at WorldViewWeekend.com. I am online on social media at Clare M. Lopez, on Twitter, Parler, and Facebook. Eventually, I hope to have a website.
Barry Nussbaum: Both of you are on AmericanTruthProject.org, and we are very happy to have you. Those viewers out there who have not yet subscribed to our text message alert system text the word TRUTH to 88202. For ATP Report, thanks for joining us today. I'm Barry Nussbaum.