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Anni Cyrus: Good afternoon, and welcome to ATP Radio. I am your host, Annie Cyrus. Thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. We have a very special guest today. I promise I will bring her on shortly, but before I do that, we have a call to action. If you haven't done so, please grab your cell phones inside America, and text my name Anni, A-N-N-I. Send it to the number 88202, and you will be signed up to our text alert system.

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Without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and bring on our guest this afternoon. She is Sybele, and I knew I'm going to butcher your name Sybele, sorry, Capezzutti. You see, I practiced it all day. I said it perfectly the other day, and I still butchered it. I'm sorry. Hi, Sybele.

Sybele Capezzutti: That's all right, everybody does. When you have a name like mine, you are used to it. I'm good. How are you, Anni?

Anni Cyrus: I am doing great. For my lovely audience, I'm sorry for doing what I did. Sybele is a legal, documented and respected immigrant who has been, for a while, an American citizen. However, she is originally from Brazil, and like me, not only does she love this country. Not only does she understand the Constitution of this country.

She has also been fighting for the Constitution, freedom, and the rights that are God-given to us Americans by birth or citizenship in this country for years. She does a lot of work. She used to do a lot of videos, but she doesn't do those often, which I'm hoping to convince her to come back. She has done many articles, and she has managed a lot of rallies across America.

I had the honor to be one of the speakers at one of her rallies back in Nashville, Tennessee. Joy Villa was also involved in some of Sybele's rallies. I am going to leave it at that. Why don't you take over and quickly tell my audience where you started? What's happening today, and what's the plan for the future?

Sybele Capezzutti: Okay, where I started in terms of all my activism? Is that the question?

Anni Cyrus: Yes, darling.

Sybele Capezzutti: Okay, very quickly. It started because I've always been passionate about it. Like you said before, you and I are both immigrants here. We did it legally. We followed all the right steps, and it's a torturous process. I'm not going to say it's not. It's long. It's expensive. There is a lot involved, but I was raised to do things the right way, so either I do it the right way or don't do it at all.

That's how I was raised to think. I went through that process. At the end of 2017, they had a government shutdown because they were trying to protect all the DACA. So, the military went without pay. A lot of things happen when the government shuts down, and I was furious one afternoon about that because our politicians are paid by us, the taxpayers, to represent us, taxpayers, and citizens. That's what they're paid to do, and then they were doing a shutdown.

Not paying people in the military who are protecting us. Not representing those who voted for them and put them there to fight for this whole illegal immigration situation that we have. So, at that moment, I was very upset. I put together a five-minute video with a rant, just angry at everything. That was the first video I ever made, and I put that on my Facebook.

That video went viral, and because it went viral, I got calls from all kinds of newspapers, radio shows, and Fox News. I was interviewed by Fox and all this stuff. At that time, I thought, okay, what I said resonated with a lot of people. I'm not the only one that feels that way. Other people feel that way. They just needed someone to voice what they were saying, but that was not enough. You know, just go to there, and vent wasn't enough.

Then shortly after that, there was the shooting at Parkwood, which is the high school my son attended a couple of weeks prior to this shooting. So, that really hit home hard, and of course, there was that kid. I forget his name. That started the whole thing. The March rallies everywhere for gun control and all this stuff. Every time there is a shooting, there they go with gun control.

So, as an answer to all of that, that's when I decided to do the rallies. The rallies were; March for Our Rights. When we started, Freedom Rights was the organization that we put together to do the rallies. We organized those rallies in several states. Unfortunately, we didn't have the news coverage that we expected to have. Like the other side got. The other side was all over the news. We were not. Even Fox News, who had interviewed me before, seemingly, was not very interested in covering our rallies.

In some cities, we have more attendance than in other cities. We worked hard for it. You were one of the rare people that had a good following on the Internet, was known, and everything. You agreed to come to our rally and speak for free. You know, most of the famous people have exorbitant fees to go anywhere to speak. So, the rallies were good, and they were bad. They were good because they got some attention. The message was being put out there that we need to fight for things.

We need to fight for the Constitution, not just the Second Amendment, but every Amendment. At the time, my main concern, my main focus was our First Amendment, and it continues to be. All these years later, you see why. My concern was the First Amendment. Look at where we are today. The goal of putting those rallies together was not a one-time thing. The goal was to establish freedom rights, chapters in every state.

So, every state would have an organization that would come together and fight on the local level so we could promote candidates to run against people with extreme views. So, we could fight with school boards. We could fight legislation on the local level that would infringe on any of our rights. That was the goal. That's what I really wanted to do at the time. Unfortunately, Freedom Rights ended up closing. We couldn't get our nonprofit status established. We tried, we spent money and everything.

Of course, the kind of organization we were in was hard, and they wanted more money. We didn't have it. We, unfortunately, had very little support from conservatives to fight. Most people were only concerned about the Second Amendment, and I was focused on the Constitution as a whole.

That didn't resonate with as many people as if I had started something Second Amendment obsessed. So, that's it. That's a quick story of how I got here and where I am today. I'm not doing much about it other than posting on Facebook. I try to open people's eyes, and I talk to as many people as I can. That's where I'm at today.

Anni Cyrus: Well, I appreciate you giving us the quick version of where it all started, and I would say I agree. Sadly, most organizations, well, no, I shouldn't associate organizations. Most people like me and you come from knowing what will happen when they take away our Constitution and turn it into either Communist, Socialist, Islamists Constitution.

We don't get much support, and I think the main reason for that is number one, it is so hard for the average American to tangibly grasp the idea that such a life could exist; they reject what we say. It's just so hard for them to say, oh, yeah, there's a country that's not going to allow me to be free, that's not possible. So, my words are that it takes longer.

Sybele Capezzutti: Also, I think America has always had that feeling. You probably heard that a few times, right? Whenever you try to shake people a little bit and say, you know, that's the direction we're going. The first response is that would never happen here. So, I've heard that so many times, and I think that a lot of Americans are in denial. They don't understand how easily it can happen here, and it's happening.

Anni Cyrus: Thank you. That's the key part. It's not about what is going to happen here. No, it's already happening. It's the question of how far they are going to go before, we the people, are going to stand up and do something about it.

Sybele Capezzutti: Yeah, because it's already here.

Anni Cyrus: Exactly, first of all, I want to say this, I know I'm putting you on the spot probably, but I promised my audience I will do everything in my power to get Sybele back on joining rallies, doing rallies, and doing videos because her words are priceless. We need to hear your wisdom. We need people like you, like me, to speak out again. Let's do this really quick. So, you are looking at what's happening in Cuba right now. What are your thoughts? Randomly, let's jump on that train. What are your thoughts?

Sybele Capezzutti: Actually, after we talked, right before we went on air, I was reading an article that there are protests in Iran right now, for the same reason. So, it was very interesting, but my thoughts on Cuba, of course, communism, what people don't understand is that socialists and communists need to get money somewhere to support their utopia. Their utopia doesn't exist without money. This idea is that they are somehow going to create this miraculous society where nobody is rich, everybody is the same.

It doesn't exist. It cannot exist in China. Their communist China only works because the communist China government does what? They export all over the world, and they use capitalism to generate the money that the country needs to keep their communist system. Now, in Cuba, that didn't quite work because of the U.S. embargo. So, they don't do business with the United States. They do business with other countries, but not with the United States, which we could be putting a lot of money in their pocket.

They depend on tourism and all that stuff. With COVID, their tourism kind of died. So, they were not generating money there. They can't trade with the United States, so they don't have the money to support their system. It got to a point where Margaret Thatcher used to say the problem with socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money. They can't support the system, and people are getting to the point where they can't get food, they can get medication, and their hospitals are falling apart.

The system is broken. It doesn't work, and they're revolting. These poor people don't even know how to revolt. They are unarmed, malnourished, and don't even have what they need to fight back, but they're trying. God bless them. They're trying. It ticks me off when I watch the news here, and they're like, oh, they are protesting that they don't have COVID vaccines.

The hell they are. They're not. They are protesting because they're tired. They're tired of being the working ends for a corrupt government that, unfortunately, they voted for these they helped put in power.

Anni Cyrus: Yeah, I was reading about this whole, oh, they're angry because they don't have COVID vaccine, like, seriously? Do you actually think that people are going to believe that anymore? Here's what I love about the pictures that I see, as heart-wrenching as it is. They are supposedly angry that they don't have the COVID vaccine, but then they're all walking on the street ...

Sybele Capezzutti: With no mask, within an inch of each other.

Anni Cyrus: No, waving the American flag.

Sybele Capezzutti: Yes.

Anni Cyrus: Everyone knows, outside of America, anyone who waved the American flag, there's just one symbol behind it. That is freedom. The American flag outside of America resembles freedom.

Sybele Capezzutti: Correct, everywhere. In every country.

Anni Cyrus: Yeah, they are asking for freedom.

Sybele Capezzutti: In every country where they...

Anni Cyrus: I'm sorry you broke up a little.

Sybele Capezzutti: Every country, when they are trying to break the chains from tyranny, they're waving the American flag, and here we are in the United States with people burning the American flag because it's oppressive. I want to slap people that say that.

Anni Cyrus: Exactly. Before we got on the air, I was on a live feed with Will Johnson on Facebook. We were talking about the recent events of a kidnapping plot against an Iranian American journalist. That's what I said, you see, they love to force the whole narrative, as I said, last week. Blinken is asking the United Nations to start an investigation into systematic racism in America. What racism? I haven't faced this. Will Johnson hasn't faced any racism. Have you faced any racism?

Sybele Capezzutti: None. I made a post the other day about that. You know, I have brown skin. I spend a week in the sun, and I looked like Halle Barry. I'm so dark it doesn't take much for me to look dark. I have dark skin. I have an accent. Everybody knows I'm an immigrant, and I’ve never had an issue, never. I respect the country. I respect its traditions and customs, and I made a point of learning the language.

I don't expect anybody to understand what I'm saying if I don't speak English. It's all about how you behave. I never experienced anything like that. Like I put in my post if I had any obstacles in my life in the United States, they were obstacles that I created myself. From self-doubt for different reasons. I created those obstacles.

The day that I learned to conquer myself, conquer my own insecurities, and my own doubts. There was nothing that could stop me, nothing. Achievement is an interior thing, not an exterior thing. This whole BS about the outside is what dictates who you're going to be. It's pure crap. That's not a fact. It's what you- who you are inside.

Anni Cyrus: Yes, we make our own stories.

Sybele Capezzutti: Right, it has nothing to do with skin color. It has nothing to do with racism. Am I going to say that racism doesn't exist? Of course not. There are people who are racist at every different level. You know, black people that are racist against whites. White people that are racist against blacks. People who are racist against Asians exist.

Those people do exist, but they are not the majority. They are very few and far between. They are out there. They are deluded among millions of people that couldn't care less what your skin color is.

Anni Cyrus: Well, let me ask you this out of curiosity because, yes, there are good and bad everywhere. That's just a fact but let me ask you this. In Brazil, for example, is there such a law within the Constitution of Brazil that says nobody can discriminate against you based on your skin color or race?

Sybele Capezzutti: No. Not under the Constitution. You know what? Can I tell you how stupid this whole thing is that the left is promoting? It's funny that you mention Brazil because the population of Brazil is 53% people of color, either black or mixed race, okay, 53%. So, technically, whites are the minority there, yet the platform of the left in Brazil is exactly the same as the platform here. I grew up, I had never, ever worried about racism.

There were TV shows with people of every color and everything. That was not a thought growing up. If my friends who are black, white, blue, whatever color they were. I grew up in an area predominantly Arabic. A lot of Lebanese fled Lebanon and went to Brazil. Nobody cared, and then I would say about ten years ago, the last time Brazil realized that this was a very powerful weapon and they had to use it. So, they started with all this crap that we have here in the United States.

hey started in Brazil too, which makes no sense because you have a population that is predominantly of color. Somehow, they have been able through this campaign that is like 24/7 in your head to convince people in Brazil that there is systematic racism there too. People believe that there. That's how powerful this is. So, that's why I don't buy this crap here in the United States.

I said people wake up. You know this has nothing to do with America. This has nothing to do with Brazil. This has nothing to do with any country. This is a globalist tool. That's what it is, it's a globalist tool, and they apply it to every country they want. Exactly the same, regardless of demographics and regardless of the economy. They apply the same tool because it works.

Anni Cyrus: That is interesting because there is, at least Iran, for example. There is systematic racism in Iran. Let me give you an example, a lot of Afghan people migrated to Iran when their country started falling apart with the Taliban or al Qaeda, as it's called here. They migrated to Iran, but they are officially considered, even on their paperwork, they are considered second-class citizens. For example, if you're an Afghan in Iran, even though you have Iranian citizenship, your driver's license or your identification card has a symbol on it.

So, if you apply for a job at a bank or any federal job, as soon as they see that symbol, they won't even hire you. You don't have the right to have that job. If you are a Sunni Muslim from Iraq, the same thing. They don't kill you for being a Sunni, but you are a second-class citizen. First of all, you pay your taxes.

One is the normal tax of the country. The second one is the second-class citizens' tax of the country, which they call protection. So, technically, you pay immigration tax for becoming an immigrant in Iran.

Sybele Capezzutti: Interesting.

Anni Cyrus: And that's my point. The funny part of this squad coming out screaming systematic racism. I want to grab Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, like, I'm sorry, wait a minute. You were telling me you were worried about systematic racism in America, while both of you Middle Eastern ladies are congresswomen in this country? But you're not going to come out and say Islamic countries have systematic racism written inside their Constitution.

Let's just keep lying to people, but before we move forward, we have a caller who has been patiently on hold for a while. We have David. Let's bring him on. I don't know if he has a question or comment... Hi, David. Are you with us?

David: I am, good afternoon, ladies. How are you?

Anni Cyrus: Good afternoon. Thank you so much. What do you have for us?

David: Well, I wanted to comment. I've been enjoying the show. You're hitting on all the points. You're absolutely spot on. Sybele knows me. This is David Decrescendo, Sybele. How are you?

Sybele Capezzutti: Hey, David.

David: Hey. I wanted to chime in because, as Sybele knows, last year, I ran for the school board in Palm Beach County, in Florida. I did so because I recognized everything that you're talking about, I think probably worldwide, but certainly here in America. All these things that are going on, students are thinking that America is a terrible place, burning down cities, murdering police officers and citizens.

That is a product of a broken education system. One thing that needs to be done quickly is we need to reverse that. This whole thing with critical race theory, that's got to go out the window because that is just fueling that fire. I think people are waking up to that right now, but we have to educate our young people that America is a good place. We're not perfect.

We never said we were, but I don't see anybody, and if you guys do, please correct me. I don't see anybody getting in bathtubs or other homemade crafts, leaving this country, and going to places like Cuba, Brazil, or anywhere else. I mean, people come to America to be free. They don't leave here, as far as our two favorite congresspeople that you mentioned a moment ago.

I always chuckle when people say that one or the other or both of them should be removed from office immediately. I don't think what people understand is the districts were created. So, if you remove them from the office, what do you think is going to replace them?

You're going to get the same or worse because that's all that lives in the district. They are so powerful in those communities that if somebody who was not like them ran, they have almost no chance of winning.

Sybele Capezzutti: Well, true. I think that it was Rashida that had nobody running against her, right Anni?

Anni Cyrus: Yes, she had no appointment.

David: That's correct.

Sybele Capezzutti: Nobody running against her, and that's because we allowed those areas to grow. We allow those areas to have that much power, and there they are. There was a purpose for this.

David: Oh, yeah. It was pretty much allowed. It was planned.

Sybele Capezzutti: It was very well planned. I had posts even before I met Anni. I had posted about this because this bothered me so much. I could see how they were using our laws against us.

David: Absolutely.

Sybele Capezzutti: To take root and grow on that, look where we are today, and this was years ago. That was before we had a Rashida or Ilhan. It was before that and look where we are today. So, for me, that's upsetting because I see what's behind it, which is supremacy—the real supremacy behind the ideology.

I never lived it. I cannot even imagine how it feels to be Anni, in this situation where she lived under that kind of oppression and watch this grow here. You know, I can't even fathom what it feels like.

David: I have to agree. I've never lived under that, but I will tell you that the warning bells have been going off for decades. People like you, Sybele my friend Brigitte Gabriel, Pamela Geller are some that I know. I've had sit-downs with both of those women. They've sounded the alarm for decades, and people are only just now starting to pay attention.

The other thing is to, and I didn't mean to interrupt you, Anni. You may have noticed during the Trump administration; the acts of terrorism have been significantly reduced.  I don't think that's an accident. I'm pretty sure that's planned. I think they were like, cool your jets, calm down. We don't have to do that anymore because they're lining it up so we can walk right in any way.

I think there's a lot of truth to that, but it's hard to say. They are definitely keeping a low profile in the last two or three years. During Trump's administration, we didn't have that. We had a few isolated incidents here and there, but there was nothing that you might call sensational in the news about it. At least nothing that came to my attention. So, it's something to think about it,

Anni Cyrus: But, David, you need to keep in mind, even though many people have been talking about it for years and exposing the danger of Islam. You also need to look back on September 11, the reaction over the country, and then look back at the latest terrorist attack. It has normalized itself, thanks to the left, and also Republicans don't get me wrong because if you look back, it was President Bush who couldn't wait to run and say it has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam is a religion of peace, even though if you were to ask two questions of Islam, he wouldn't know how to answer. Republican, Democrat, but the point is, they have managed to normalize this jihadist system to the point where, yes, maybe 10% of Americans are aware of the reality behind Islam, but the rest of them have drunk the Kool-Aid, of this has nothing to do with Islam.

They're just a bunch of radicals. Oh, that one was a lone wolf, and this one was the radical brainwash. We still haven't managed to be able to tell the truth about what Islam stands for by saying there is no radical Islam.

David: That is correct.

Anni Cyrus: There are others who claim to be Muslims but rather not do jihad, but the toolbox named Islam comes with bombs and killing. Until we achieve that, there is nothing we can do because we're either going to say, oh, we made history with the first Muslim this, first Muslim that, and first Muslim this, or we're going to go with the narrative of, oh, you know, Dearborn is gone, and Minnesota is gone.

It's like it's not part of America anymore. It frustrates me when I hear people say, oh, they can have Michigan. It's theirs. No, they can't. It's my land. It's America. Nobody can have any piece of America when it comes to communism, socialism, or Islam. I'll fight for every corner of this land.

David: Absolutely. I mean, you just said something a moment ago, and you hit the nail on the head with that because you're right. I use the analogy when we hear about an Islamist doing something really terrible, like the people on 9/11, et cetera. What people don't get is those people aren't insane. They're devout.

Just as if a Christian walks around doing Bible studies, going door to door, helping people out, and doing things that Christ did. We say that person is a devout Christian. He's living according to the word, and these Muslims that make these attacks, they're devout.

Their holy books tell them to do exactly what they do, and when anybody says it, they just try to reverse it, no. They're doing what the book tells them to do. That's the absolute truth. I know you know that.

Anni Cyrus: Absolutely. David, thank you so much for calling in. We do have a few more callers. I want to make sure we answer their questions as well. We appreciate you calling in and stay for the rest of the program. Make sure to share this video with your friends.

David: I absolutely will. You guys have a great afternoon. Thank you for taking the time.

Anni Cyrus: Absolutely.

Sybele Capezzutti: Thank you David.

Anni Cyrus: It looks like we have a call from Tom calling from Hawaii with a question. Hi, Tom. What do you have for us?

Tom: Yeah, hi. I just came on. This is my first time, and as I was listening, I just heard, it's been planned, and then it's been going on for decades. Then I listened more. Then it came up that you're talking about Muslims taking hold in the United States and getting power. Is that what?

Anni Cyrus: No, no, there is no such a thing as Muslims. It's Islam. This is about the global caliphate, to where Islam will be the complete Constitution over human society.

Tom: Oh, so that's what the discussion is about is their goal is to have complete power over all humans no matter who you are or what country?

Anni Cyrus: Now, the discussion, in general, is the comparison between our beautiful Constitution in America that different groups such as Islamists, Communists, Socialists, also known as the red-green axis, is trying to take away the Constitution we have, which is our freedom and liberty so, they can gain control over our nation here in America as well.

Tom: How do you think that started or was allowed to happen?

Anni Cyrus: In America?

Tom: In the United States, yeah. How do you think that has been allowed to start and happen? What time frame in the United States, and why do you think that's been allowed to infiltrate into the United States?

Anni Cyrus: Well, the reason that has been allowed to infiltrate is, I always refer everyone to a book written by Dr. Jamie Glazov, United in Hate. The unholy alliance between the Left and Islam is why it's allowed. The bottom line is to somehow burn America to the ground and then built their deluded utopia on the ashes left behind.

So, the why is because the Democrats party, or more specifically the Socialist Democrat Party, has been on a mission to take America into where there is no freedom. So, there can be systematic brainwashing and control of life. Now, as I said, they have used both systems of communism and Islam to get there. As far as when, a lot of people think this all started with September 11th, no.

I would say around 1950 is when the actual plan started. The implementation started in 1979. From there on September 11th was the key to turn it into a normalized situation in America. Sybele, you want to answer that?

Sybele Capezzutti: Well, that's your line of expertise, not mine. I've read a lot about it, but I have to agree with you. I was trying to remember the name of that document that they unearthed in Switzerland that had the whole plan from the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate the United States. That document was written, like you said, in the late 50s, early 60s, and then there was a whole plan that led up to the point of putting together names of organizations and everything.

They do exist in the United States. They have a very well-put-together plan to expand into Western countries where religion the ideology was not accepted. They followed through with that plan to a "T." They have not deviated from it, and I wrote an article, The Alliance Between the Left and Islam. What you said is exactly my thought.

To the left, it makes no difference who they use. It's the means to an end, and it's an ideology that will force you into submission one way or the other. The same thing with communism, it will force you into submission, one way or the other.

Tom: Is this the Achilles heel? If you find the Achilles heel, if you show your Achilles heel or you have an Achilles heel, you know what that means, your weakness, your one spot that has been able to be attacked and they take you down.

So, if the United States has that Achilles heel, that would allow that to occur. That would be too much openness, diversity, and allowing you to enter your country and culture through your Achilles heel.

Sybele Capezzutti: I think what is our greatest gift is also our Achilles heel. Our greatest gift is the Constitution, yes.

Tom: Yes, exactly right. The Constitution would be number one. That's what George Washington said; George Washington said that.

Sybele Capezzutti: You see how it's used against us as the 1st Amendment.

Tom: You know, when the Constitution was put out, George Washington was still our president, and it was 1787 when the Constitution was put into place 1787. Then in 1790, they wrote the first citizenship law, which had quite a bit of control, a say of who is allowed, and who can be a citizen of the United States

Once that was changed, that was the Achilles heel because the great founding fathers, the geniuses that they were, realized that you could not have diversity. You can have it in the country, but you can't have diversity allowed to take hold and have the ability to make changes in your country. Once that is, they will have the opportunity to overtake and change what you are.

So, yeah, the Constitution is great in saying that, ‘Yes, we will allow diversity,’ but then in 1790, they said, ‘Okay, we're only going to have a certain group of people of likeness to be citizens and have the ability to vote within the borders of the United States.’ I was asking you why you think this happened.

I believe it happened in 1865 when the 14th Amendment was formed and dictated. That was our Achilles heel. That was tyranny. Until then, the United States was pretty solid, but they allowed other things to change and change and change. Then basically, this is where we're at today.

Anni Cyrus: Well, let me quickly say. I would agree with about 80% of your statement, but it goes back to our Constitution as of today, is still as close as you get to perfection of liberty, freedom, and diverse society.

Tom: No, but see, we are under tyranny right now. We are under tyranny. Even the United States, the original. It took tyranny to bring it to where we are today.

Sybele Capezzutti: But I don't think that the 14th Amendment is a problem.

Tom: Oh, no, it is a problem. It's tyranny.

Sybele Capezzutti: No, it gives people the ability to legally change their citizenship and become a citizen of the United States.

Tom: Well, it's tyranny. The problem is that’s tyranny. So, it is a problem once you take the vote away from the people.

Sybele Capezzutti: Why?

Tom: What do you mean, why? Because Congress, at the time, told the Senate and the States they had to vote in the 14th Amendment, or they will lose congressional representation. That is basically telling them we don't care what you want to vote for; you have to vote our way or the highway. That's how the 14th Amendment became. It took five years to ratify. It didn't happen overnight. So, that is our Achilles heel.

Sybele Capezzutti: I'm failing to understand your point if you are against how the 14th Amendment came about or if you're against the 14th Amendment itself.

Tom: Well, because it was tyranny, I have to be against it. If the citizens of the time votes were taken away completely then it doesn't exist, and it was tyranny. Yeah, that's our problem. You can never have tyranny because once it starts, it sets precedents for lack of control in other parts of your government like we have today.

We've lost that control once the tyranny existed once. Yeah. So, this is our problem. This is why we don't have any control over our borders. This is why the big business doesn't have laws that pertain to them, and they control. I blame it all on big business allowing this to happen.

Anni Cyrus: Actually, Tom, I blame, we the people, American citizens, for letting this happen. We did, to this day, we have failed ourselves.

Tom: It has to do with the 14th Amendment that was the Achilles heel.

Sybele Capezzutti: I disagree with you on that.

Tom: Well, think about it for a while, and you'll see that it is because once you start allowing anybody, everybody, and anything to come and enter your country, you now lose the ability to have control. But once you have control, you have an understanding of what it is that you based your country on. It will stay cohesive and stay together.

Sybele Capezzutti: But listen, that will happen no matter what, okay.

Tom: I don't believe that.

Sybele Capezzutti: You know how many people are living in Rome today that are not Romans? Do you know how many people live in Israel today that were not born in Israel? That will happen no matter what. You've got to have the proper laws to screen people and make sure that you're not taking in the criminal element.

Tom: But then you'll be called racists.

Sybele Capezzutti: Let me finish. That's where Anni and I are always talking about it because both Anni and I are immigrants. Anni and I are naturalized citizens, okay.

Tom: That's what I'm saying, but that's why you're against what I am saying because you are an immigrant of today. If you're not, you will get what I am saying.

Sybele Capezzutti: I don't get what you're saying because there is a difference between doing things properly, following the law, and doing things illegally.

Tom: But the law was appropriated in 1865.

Sybele Capezzutti: Every country is going to have immigration. That happens everywhere, and you do it legally. You go to that country and follow the laws. Every country has immigration laws, and every country has naturalization laws. This is not unique to the United States. It's everywhere in the world.

It doesn't happen just here. So, we need laws to give people the ability to immigrate from different countries to the United States. Otherwise, in the United States today, we won't have enough people left. They needed to have people coming in because the country was founded by people from other places. They were not born here. They didn't exist here prior.

They came from other countries because they came from other countries to form the United States. They created a law that allows for other people to do the same thing legally. You would not have the United States today if it were not for the founding fathers, for people coming from other countries to this country. The American natives, the Indians, were not going to form the United States of America.

This was formed by immigrants legally, and they created a law to allow for that to continue on the legal way. So, they can screen people properly. My problem is with the illegal part because we don't know who the heck is crossing those borders. That I have a problem with.

Anni Cyrus: Well, here's the thing. I had to go ahead and mute Tom because he was interrupting your discussion. When I muted him, he decided to hang up, which is okay. I don't tolerate people who try to make a point, and then when you disagree, they try to interrupt your point—#1 the 14th Amendment has nothing to do with letting everybody in, for those of my audience who are not familiar with it.

Simplified to four sections, and all four sections are saying Americans, either by birth or legal citizenship, all have equal rights. That is what the 14th Amendment is about; it has nothing to do with tyranny. It has nothing to do with vote my way or the highway. It has nothing to do with how Tom was explaining. I kept trying to explain the 14th Amendment, but he wouldn't let me.

The 14th Amendment is equal rights in all aspects and corners from committing a crime and facing the consequences to being a good citizen and being rewarded for it is equal rights to those born in America or those who came to America under legal circumstances and became a citizen. Now, what Tom says, claiming that you and I would disagree because we're immigrants’ number one, I think that is a very, very bigoted comment.

Even though we weren't born in America, both of us are fighting for America, more than many Americans born in America. Including people such as Nancy Pelosi, AOC, and Kamala Harris. Guess what? They were born in America, but none of them care to fight for America. That's the second point. Now, the third part is, I agree with you. There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, wrong with immigration.

The title of this program, for those of you who are listening on the phone. The title of this program is Constitutional Immigration, the Right Way. Yes, we are promoting constitutional immigration because if it wasn't for the United States of America constitutional immigration law, I wouldn't be alive today.

I would probably be killed by the man who bought me from my father, but we are against those who think they have the right to hop over the fence, jump over the wall, come in and say, I want a life in America. Then I'm not going to remove my hijab or denounce Islamic Jihad, but I still want to have citizenship. That's what we are against.

Sybele Capezzutti: Correct. That's exactly it, and I'm glad that Tom came on online, and we had this little heated discussion because that is a clear example of how and why conservatives never get anywhere. Again, why conservatives are losing the battle; we're losing the battle because we're not united.

We're losing the battle because, among conservatives, you have some people like that. It's all or nothing. You had to be born here. They completely disregard the fact that the United States wouldn't exist if it were not for the people that came from outside. You have to be born here. They don't like this, they don't like that, or some of them only care about their 2nd Amendment rights.

They completely disregard the fact that their 1st Amendment is completely taken away. Pretty soon, they'll have no way of communication, and their 2nd Amendment will be granted useless. So, conservatives are very divided. You have the extremely religious who are stuck on certain issues, and then you have the ones that see themselves as constitutional scholars.

There are other issues, but they're not united in one platform. They're not, while the liberals are completely united. Even when their platform makes absolutely zero sense, they still come together and support it. They don't care as long as they can keep control. They come together, support it, keep fighting, and they fight day in, day out, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. While conservatives do what?

We fight among ourselves. We have different ways of thinking, and nobody is willing to put that aside and fight together for a common goal. Actually, nobody is willing to do zip. We talked about that, you, and I, Anni. We talked about that. How much work you put into this, how much work I put into this, but we're not in it for profit.

We're in it for the love that we have for this country and freedom. And, because we're not in it for profit, nobody cares. We don't get the support we need, and we don't get anybody to join us to do something. We can talk every day for an hour like this, and still change nothing.

People need to have a come to Jesus moment here and start realizing that they need to start acting. They need to start doing things where they live in their cities, their states to change stuff, they have to stop this stupid bickering about conspiracies and all this stuff. Come together. There is a bigger issue here, and we're losing the battle. Sorry, rant over. (Laughter).

Anni Cyrus: Oh, don't apologize. I agree with everything you said exactly. Again, I have done so many live feeds when I almost beg people to put their little, tiny differences aside. I literally think this is a tiny, little, small difference. I don't expect every American born to accept me. I don't, but I expect them to understand what I fight for has nothing to do with my birth certificate vs. my certification of citizenship. It doesn't.

As a human being who has tangibly put years of her youth into earning the freedom, I have today. I have every right to stand up and fight for it. That's all there is to it. Who's from where, what is your religion, your skin color, what language do you speak it does not matter at this point.

Honestly, I have said it many times. I don't even care if you're a Democrat or you're a Republican registered. I don't care. If you're an American, I'm with you. If you will stand by our flag proudly. I'm all about you. If you understand the Constitution, understand, that's the keyword. I can tell you.

I promise you that 98% of legal immigrants understand the American Constitution better than American-born Americans because when we get here, the first thing we do is sit there and read the Constitution. Not only in complete, wow, that we have been missing out for years. Also, we want to make sure we don't do anything illegal that's going to jeopardize our life in America.

We sit there, we read it, we analyze it, so we understand it. We don't go around saying the 14th Amendment is tyranny. Huh? There is not a single amendment in our Constitution that represents tyranny. This comes from an ex-Muslim, former child bride, who lived in a country with a complete constitution filled with tyranny, discrimination, and filled with racism.

I can guarantee you not a single word in our Constitution has anything to do with tyranny, but then, sadly, when you have Americans, this is how the hatred toward America started. Misunderstanding is spreading wrong information about our Constitution. I beg people to read the Constitution.

Why do you think we have a brand-new generation of young children in America who hate our country so much? Because they never bothered to read the Constitution themselves. They just heard it from other people that say our Constitution is horrible. Worse than that, they never bothered to compare our Constitution to any other country.

You do that, and you come to realize, the United States of America's Constitution is literally as perfect as you can ever get to written documentation.

Sybele Capezzutti: You're right.

Anni Cyrus: Sorry. My rant is over too.

Sybele Capezzutti: No, we are both very passionate about it. Very passionate because we fought hard to be here, and we fight to preserve all the freedoms that so many take for granted. We're both passionate about it, and I think that's why we're friends. You know, it's our love for freedom, simple. It's as simple as that.

I love freedom, and I don't want to lose it. I don't want to lose it. I don't want anybody to lose it. I don't want my son to lose it. I don't want my grandchildren not to have it. Hopefully, I'll have grandchildren someday. I don't want to look my grandchildren in the eye and say, I'm sorry, grandma was too much of a wimp to fight for your future. I don't want to do that.

So, you risk your life every day. I know that because there is a bounty on your head for being who you are and doing what you do. So, I have a lot of respect for you for that. It's not the case with me. There is no bounty on my head. I few death threats when I sent that video out, and it went viral.

Then people forgot who I was, and my life went back to normal. But yours, you risk your life every day. I think that more Americans need to look at them and say, why would she do that? What is it that I'm missing? What is it that I'm not seeing that this woman sees that is so important?

I just hope we can bring that message to more people. People are clueless, thinking that they are oppressed. There is no oppression in this country.

Anni Cyrus: Agreed. If anybody is oppressed in the United States of America, they are the type of people who like to be victims. In America, by-laws, regulations, and the Constitution, you should not be oppressed. If you are, you have allowed it to happen personally.

Sybele Capezzutti: You have created your own hell.

Anni Cyrus: Exactly. We are out of time here, but before we go, I want you to please tell my audience where they can find you until we get you back on rallies, videos, and all that good stuff. In the meantime, where can they find you to see the posts you post to inform people.

Sybele Capezzutti: Okay, I have a blog that, unfortunately, I haven't had time to write that much lately, but I also have a Facebook page that is, Sybele on the Level, and my blog is to SybeleOnTheLevel.com. You can follow me on Facebook, Sybele on The Level. I put my ideas there and my little rant now and then. When they allow me to post videos again, I will. My account is restricted. I cannot post any videos or anything.

Anni Cyrus: Oh, boy.  Well, thank you so much for coming on today, and hopefully, we'll bring you back to do more of these discussions because people need to hear from people like me and you. Thank you so much.

Sybele Capezzutti: Thank you Anni. Have a great evening.

Anni Cyrus: Thank you, and to our lovely audience who stayed with us until now. We appreciate you very much. Remember, if you want to stay in touch with me and American Truth Project, all you got to do is send my name. Text A-N-N-I, send it to the number 88202 or just go to our website, AmericanTruthProject.org., and sign up there. On that note, please stay safe. Stay vigilant. Keep on getting informed on the issues we are facing today as a nation. I will talk to you all next Monday. Same time, same channel. Goodbye.

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