Tom Del Beccaro: “Newsom Recall will Happen”
Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. Back with us today is our very special guest and friend of both myself and Annie here at ATP Report, Tom Del Beccaro. For those of you that don't know, Tom has a very long and impressive career in and around politics.
He's an author. He's the former head of the California Republican Party, and he is the guy that is in charge of the recall of Governor Gavin Newsom. Tom, thanks for coming back.
Tom Del Beccaro: Great to be on. I'm chairman of RescueCalifornia.org and CaliforniaRevival.com. Those are my two pacts, and we've raised 3.2 million dollars and actually 3.3 million now towards this and got about six or seven hundred thousand signatures working with Recall Gavin2020 as well, and we're going to have a recall election this fall.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, let's talk about it because you're the guy, which is why I'm so happy to have you on today. So, let's start with this. Tell us your background in California state politics. You and I both know you've got some very up close and personal Kamala Harris background in your background. Give us a quick biography.
Tom Del Beccaro: Well, I get started in the early 2000s, believe it or not, when you had Bill Simon running against Gray Davis, and then the next year Gray Davis was recalled, and I played a small role in that. I got involved in state party politics, eventually became the vice-chairman and then chairman of it.
Since then, I've been a television and radio commentator, but in 2016 I ran against the future vice president for a U.S. Senate, actually beat her in the statewide poll, after poll, from the first debate. In the second debate, for some reason, they didn't do a poll afterward. But in any case, since then, again, I returned to television and radio.
I write for Fox, Newsmax, Epic Times, and I appear on Newsmax and Fox. Then I took up this cause all the way last June, now, I can't believe it's been nearly a year, and we are proud of the fact that we got 2.2 million signatures at Rescue California working with Recall Gavin 2020.
Barry Nussbaum: Okay, you're totally qualified for the next question. What is the latest on the recall? Everybody is talking about it.
Tom Del Beccaro: Yeah. So, we got those 2.2 million signatures. Those signatures still reside in the registrar's office. The procedure is you turn them into the fifty-eight county registrars. They verify them, meaning they look at the signatures and the addresses, believe it or not.
They don't do that as nearly as close as we would like for the elections but for the recall, they're looking at them. They have until April 29th for final verification. We need 1,495 million verified signatures and because we got six hundred thousand over that amount, we are more than confident that it will qualify.
Then after April 29th, it goes to the Secretary of State. There's a 30-day period where you can actually withdraw your signatures. We don't expect that to have any significant impact. And then somewhere in the June time frame, if there are no legal challenges and that's a big if, we expect them to declare that there's going to be an election this fall.
Barry Nussbaum: So, I read about a month ago, Tom, they had published how many signatures had been verified. Has there been an update since then?
Tom Del Beccaro: Well, there's a monthly update, and we expect an update in the week of April 14th or thereabouts, and that would still only be partial. They have until April 29th for a final.
Barry Nussbaum: Got it. If you can, make it succinct. Tell our viewers what the main reasons are that you and 2. 2 million of your closest friends want to recall the Governor of California.
Tom Del Beccaro: Well, keep in mind that about thirty-six percent of the signatures are non-Republican, which is an amazingly high number. In Los Angeles, more Democrats than Republicans signed it. In San Mateo, more independents than Democrats and Republicans. But this is about government accountability.
You know, I didn't support the first attempts at the recall Newsom, because when you win elections, you have a right to make policy choices. But once COVID came around, his incompetence, which cost people lives when it came to the wildfires and electrical crisis and his bad policies with regard to water.
Then you get to COVID, and what you experience there is not only really a bad policy that is hurting people, putting them out of business, endangering them, but also unconstitutional behavior. You change unilaterally over 400 laws, and there are multiple levels of arguments why he shouldn't have been allowed to do that all by himself.
So, once it crossed over into unconstitutionality, even if the Supreme Court of California doesn't have the backbone to stand up, then I thought it was appropriate for the recall. And that's what we have been doing ever since.
Barry Nussbaum: So, it seems to me if there was a tipping point, from my perspective, it seems to be COVID. I get an avalanche of communications from friends across the state of California, where it's been my home for 40 something years, and the degree of suppression of the economic livelihood and the futures of Californians has just been devastating.
Devastating, you know, the schools, the businesses, trade, travel and so on. And yet, for Gavin Newsom, it's great when you have 10,000 - 50,000 rioters marching down the street, arm in arm, breathing, spitting, singing all on each other, and burning down billions of dollars in real estate.
But God forbid, 30 people want to go to a church on Easter, send in the sheriffs with Belgard dress on to escort them to the paddy wagon. I feel like that's been the thing that's made people the angriest is his handling of these double standards for COVID. Do you agree?
Tom Del Beccaro: Yeah, I think COVID has been a bonanza for double standards on the left. Whether it's Gavin Newsom sending his kids to a private school when other students couldn't go or the riots that you talk about where Gavin Newsom says, "I understand your anger," and then allows them to do these sorts of things.
But as you point out, you can't go to church. Look, it's a double standard to let people stand in line at Home Depot, and I have nothing against Home Depot. I'm a big fan. I shop there, but why should they be allowed to have so many people in a big box where churches, which are big boxes, are not?
And people are fed up with that. Why should Target be able to sell children's clothes with social distancing? But a mom-and-pop store couldn't. It just goes on and on and on. It was stunningly irrational. I mean, even a child can figure out that, okay, if you have a small store that you could social distance easier.
Frankly, because it's easier to see who's right in your business. Why is a small store shut down to sell children's clothes but Target's not? They refuse to adjust, and you can just keep going and going. One of the tipping points beyond his hypocrisy of going to the French Laundry while we were to stay at home was the fact that he put large L.A. in the same region as San Luis Obispo, a rural county, and applied some of the same rules.
Stuff like this made no sense, and that's what infuriated people. It really got exposed with Florida, which has been open since last July to one degree or another, and their COVID rates are better than California, and you can't say that it's not a populated state. It's getting overpopulated in some people’s opinion, or at least Floridians are concerned. Too many people are flocking there.
Keep in mind, the average age in Florida is really hot. So how did they survive this open or semi-open, and then California is completely shut down? So, it's just been a double standard bonanza on the left this last year.
Barry Nussbaum: Yeah, I wanted to ask you about the story you just alluded to, the French Laundry thing. I read that it's the most expensive restaurant in California.
Tom Del Beccaro: West of Manhattan.
Barry Nussbaum: Oh, it is. So that is true.
Tom Del Beccaro: Yeah, it's staggering.
Barry Nussbaum: To have a party where they are in a private dining room, indoors, no social distancing, no masks, singing, hugging, drinking wine, celebrating, breathing on each other where everybody else is outside, and then you get caught, you lie about it. Then you deny certain things about it until the pictures come out.
Then the pictures come out, and then you said, "Well, it wasn't your party," and it turns out it was your party. I mean, it wasn't just that he did it, but he flagrantly broke half a dozen of his own rules and then lied about it until each progressive domino fell. So, in the end, he just looked like a big, fat liar. Is that like the tipping point in this whole recall thing?
Tom Del Beccaro: Well, think about it. People will undertake shared sacrifice if their leaders are in the same position. But once you lie or take special privileges, you lose credibility, especially in this information age. What certain people in the media at large or public figures think they can get away with blows me away.
So, it was a point where it was okay end of story. We're not believing this guy anymore. He's a hypocrite. That's the kind of stuff you can't rebound from. You can make a policy choice that's wrong and then pivot. But once you lose personal credibility and lose popularity, remember, Bill Clinton did things that a lot of us were very much disturbed by, but generally, he was liked, and so he recovered. But Gavin Newsom isn't liked, and his policies for sure are hurting people. But given now that they think him a liar and an elitist, that's really hard to recover from.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, you know, on that vein, I look at a guy like Gavin Newsom from the outside, and he just literally can't get out of his own way and the response to the whole recall movement that 2.2 million-plus Californians signed on.
As you said, a very significant number of non-Republicans have signed on. As we all know, California is a heavy Democrat registered state. But to now have his defense, which has been echoed by a number of prominent national politicians, that this is all about racism and white supremacy, and if you're not a racist and if you're not a white supremacist, you should vote no on the recall. Is that really going to have any traction with California when the vote comes up?
Tom Del Beccaro: Well, I think for some on the left, as we've talked before, it is a dog whistle to which they respond. His problem is that a third of the Democrats want him gone. If you sign something saying, I want you to be recalled, and you're a Democrat, and then they blame it on- essentially, he's insulting them, saying they don't even have their own thought process.
I think he actually hardens opposition against them. So, it's a very narrow play. He wants to push out the Democrat vote and hope the rest will overlook it. We'll have to see. I think he's going to be recalled.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, I can say this from having known you for a number of years. You are not a white supremacist. You are not a racist. I don't know about the rest of the people signing, but everyone that calls me and says they signed. I would put in the same boat as you.
Tom Del Beccaro: Even Chuck Todd said, "Well, 2.1 million people may sign. You're not saying all of them are that?" And Gavin Newsom had nothing to say. By the way, Gavin Newsom is not that bright. He can, like Kamala Harris, he has one comeback that somebody fed him, but he's not able to form at that point, go on and answer responsibly the rest of the questions. So, he always gets caught up in his own dead ends that he makes for himself.
Barry Nussbaum: The problem is the talking points have worn out, and nobody believes them. We'll see what he comes up with in the fall when he's got to campaign to keep his job.
Tom Del Beccaro: Absolutely. And now that we have candidates out there giving alternatives to the policies of the Democrats, he has to defend himself, and he's not good at that either.
Barry Nussbaum: Thanks a lot for coming on today, Tom. Sure. Appreciate your wisdom and insight, as always—all of you out there in ATP Land that haven't signed up yet. Please subscribe to our text message alert system. It's absolutely free. All you have to do is text the word TRUTH to 88202.
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