Reforming Islam Is an Impossible Dream of Westerners
Barry Nussbaum: Hello, and welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. Our very special guest today and friend of ATP is Dr. Bill Warner. Dr. Bill is an expert on political Islam. He's an author, a scholar, a lecturer, and a creator of a whole lot of videos that you should check out on YouTube. Welcome, Dr. Bill.
Dr. Bill Warner: Happy to be here.
Barry Nussbaum: Terrific. Let's kick off the discussion today. There's a lot of talk in the community about the reformation movement within Islam, meaning there are radical Muslims who are attempted to be influenced currently by the moderate Muslims. Is that a thing? Can the moderates band together to reform Islam?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, let's talk about moderate and radical first. Let me point out that these words are not part of Islam. These are part of a Western projection onto the system of Islam. Before we talk about reforming Islam, why don't we define what Islam is if we're going to reform it? Islam is the doctrine found in the Koran. Everybody has heard of that even if they haven't read it, the Sirrah, or the biography of Mohammed, and the Hadith, his traditions. Those three books are the sacred text of Islam. And that's all that counts. Now, if we're going to reform it since Islam is found in the doctrine of Koran, Sirrah, and Hadith, let's choose the Koran. What part of the Koran are you going to add to? Or if you add to it, it was perfect before, but now it's not perfect? If you take something out of it, what happens to the perfection of Islam? Islam is eternal; that is, the Koran is not going to change. So if you quote, reform it, really what people mean is just don't pay any attention to the bad stuff. But it's still there for anybody who wants to use it. So I don't see how you can reform something without changing it. And if you change perfection, how are you going to do that? Besides that, the Sirrah, or the life of Mohammed, is a sacred text. His life is over you. How can you change history? Then you have his traditions. How are you going to change that? They're all written down. So the reformation of Islam is a fantastic dream of Westerners that somehow or another we could reform Islam. And then my nice Muslim neighbor wouldn't bother me. But that cannot happen. It's a pipe dream. Now, mind you, I wish it were not true, but you simply can't change Islam. It is unchangeable. Furthermore, as a scientist and a math guy, you look at it, and it is designed to be unchangeable. That is part of its construct.
Barry Nussbaum: So the reformers that are out there and there's a number of them quite prominent here in America, are they ignorant about what Islam really is, or are they wanting to change it because they just want it to be possible, even though religiously, I guess you're saying it's not possible?
Dr. Bill Warner: Textually, it's not possible. You can have reformed Muslims. But they're different from a reformed of Islam. So people can wish things were better. I wish a lot of things were better. But if you're a Muslim, I don't see how you can make a change without destroying perfection. Let's make a distinction here between Muslims and Islam. Islam is a fixed doctrine. Muslims are people. They might have their foolish dreams. I've met one of these reformers in Canada, a charming man. Now you get to the question, what is his motivation? I really don't know. I think it's wishful thinking. He's a nice guy, a very pleasant fellow. But I don't think that he understands what he's doing or he just wishes that things would change.
Barry Nussbaum: So, let me be more specific. I've heard a lot of talk, and I've literally read that some moderate Muslims have decided that this thing about wanting to conquer the world and put the entire planet that we happen to live on under the flag of the caliphate and have the courts become Islamic courts and law becomes Islamic law, and institute Sharia as the law of the land, so the American constitution falls by the wayside, and we're all eventually going to be Muslims by the book or by the sword, that conquering mentality is not going to be followed because that's from the Middle Ages. And so the moderate view is if people want to follow, they can. Aren't they actually apostates? And isn't that subjecting them to the death penalty?
Dr. Bill Warner: I don't think it's the death penalty. The apostasy death penalty is frequently not carried out. I know a woman who is an apostate. Her name is Nonie Darwish. And after she left Islam, he said, I could kill you, but I will not, but never call us. We are dead to you? This is pretty serious business. I think that's very serious, but so it cannot be changed. And the killing of apostates is something that's infrequent. But it does happen, and the threat is used a lot. Now, there may be other apostates who can correct me on this, but actually, I keep up with apostates to some degree because I'm a great admirer of them. I've earlier said that people don't want to know the truth in Islam because they're afraid. Apostates know the truth, and they act on it, so, therefore, I'm very much a fan of apostates, which may sound like a peculiar thing to say, but these are courageous people, truly courageous people. And as a matter of fact, I think that we should welcome all apostates from Islam into America, They are persecuted people, and they should have a home here, and then we should defend them.
Barry Nussbaum: No doubt, Bill, I agree 100 percent. Thanks for joining us today and a special thanks to our special guest, Dr. Bill Warner. Bill, remind people where they can find out more about political Islam.
Dr. Bill Warner: Go to my web site, PoliticalIslam.com, and go to my YouTube channel, Political Islam. I specialize in little short videos.
Barry Nussbaum: I urge all of you to go check him out, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. If you haven't subscribed yet to our text message service, it's free. Please send a text message with the word TRUTH in the message and send it to 88202. You'll be signed up for free. You'll get all of our stuff all the time. It just takes about five seconds. For ATP Report, I'm Barry Nussbaum.