Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome. It’s the Katie and Barry show today on ATP, and I’m thrilled to be joined by my partner in this, Katie Hopkins. Hi, Katie.

Katie Hopkins: Thank you, Barry. It’s good to be back. I’m kind of looking forward to our chats now. When we get to chat, I’m like, “Oh, good. I’m talking to Barry and the ATP gang later on.” So, it’s nice to be back.

Barry Nussbaum: We love to have you. So, what’s going on over there? Fauci apparently is now going to be hired if Joe Biden is President. He has already been hired and Trump is still the President. But what’s going on with the vaccination in the UK? I heard that Fauci accused the UK of not testing enough on the vaccine that seems ready to go.

He blasted the UK government, and then he said, “Oops, sorry I was wrong, I really didn’t mean it”, or whatever. Now there’s a patent fight, and the politicians want to get vaccinated on camera. What’s the story?

Katie Hopkins: Oh, just craziness here. So, two separate things in a way. Fauci, when I was there just before the Trump election, that, of course, I believe Trump won. Fauci was a massive annoyance that was annoying Trump, annoying Trump supporters.

I can’t believe it. I get back to my country, and who should pop up just about this height because he’s very short is Fauci. Essentially our government is pushing this vaccine now. They want it rolled out. They say it’s on trucks already.

They’re prepared to start giving it to people next week. It is a sort of genius move because, of course, I can’t stand Fauci. I can’t stand that he thinks he’s going to put Americans in masks for one hundred days. But somehow, he came out and said, “Well, obviously the Brits cut corners, and they didn’t do their testing rigorously enough.”

I agree with him one hundred percent. The British government went crazy because they are trying to push this vaccine into people. We just had the government advisor come out and say, “If you want to return to the dream of a normal life, you must have the vaccine when it’s offered to you”. He used that actual terminology. They are pushing this so hard and Fauci created such drama here.

Then, of course, we have the state broadcaster saying, “Oh, here he is apologizing”. So, we have Fauci apologizing all over our TV screens. So Fauci has crossed the pond and is annoying people on both sides of the pond in different ways and in different regards.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, you raise an interesting point. The government is telling you, Brits, you better play by our rules or not play.

Katie Hopkins: Oh, yeah.

Barry Nussbaum: You know, there’s a story out of Australia that Qantas International Airline is saying after the first of the year, I know this is going to be unbelievable, what I’m going to tell you, but I’ve verified the story.

You won’t be able to get on a Qantas flight unless you can prove you’ve had the vaccine. Beside it being an invasion of certain rights, I can’t even understand how our Constitution’s commerce clause would allow it.

Do you feel comfortable being told that you have to get a vaccine? If it works and everyone else is vaccinated, why would they care if you have the vaccine? They’re already immune, aren’t they, Katie?

Katie Hopkins: I mean, it just makes you wonder. Firstly, the language being used by our politicians is really dark. It’s really sinister. This whole, if you want your lives back, you’ve got to play ball. Of course, here where we have socialized health care, we could suggest that what they can say is you won’t have access to health care if you don’t play ball.

Of course, state education, your children don’t get to come to school. They can make it feel like it was a choice, but what choice is it if you can’t access basic public services? I think overall, just as you know, and we know well, that this has spread to both sides of the pond the hypocrisy of the Left. They love this idea of choice, don’t they?

When it comes to the hideous destruction of the unborn, it’s all about my body, my choice. When it comes to forcing a vaccine into people, suddenly, I don’t get a choice at all. The choice seems to be a word that only applies to people on the Left. So, it is concerning. The push behind the vaccine is really concerning. I wonder about this whole I hear in America, and here, “Oh, I’ll go on TV and have the vaccine”. What is that supposed to prove? What does that show?

Are we really that stupid that that is going to make us think, “Oh, well, he’s had it, and he wears a suit so I must go and get it now”? It gives me great strength and joy to see so many people saying, “Actually, no, I’m not going to have this shoved in me until I know what’s in it, or I don’t want to have this”. People are really awake to this.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, you know, there are two comments I have for what you said. Number one, the passing mention that you said about the people in suits. There are many stories out that previous presidents who have gotten vaccines on film were not actually injected. They were just staged photo ops.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: Even if they did get the shot, that doesn’t help me because A, flu shots don’t work normally, and B, the story is out that there’s going to be some sort of biometric chip inside this vaccine that will be with you for life, Katie.

It makes you trackable and accessible by computers, satellites, and scanners, possibly for the rest of your life. Does that sound like something the Hopkins family wants?

Katie Hopkins: Not a chance, Barry. Also, here in the UK, as you tend to find out these things later. New laws have just been passed that protect Pfizer, who’s the manufacturer of this particular “government injectable,” from any legal action against them or anyone delivering this “government injectable” or anyone involved in the transport. This new law just passed protects any of them from any legal action for any adverse reaction to this liquid.

I mean, if it is so safe and so perfect, why would you need to change the law to make it so that no one can come back at you when it goes horribly wrong? So, some other dark things, are starting to reveal themselves as well.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, that story that has just gotten to the UK is old news here, Katie. Drug companies here that make vaccines are immune by federal law. So, if you get a vaccine and you get a disease that you’re supposed to be getting inoculated against, and you are crippled, you die, or you’re very ill, you have to go to the special insurance fund.

Which gives you pennies for your injuries caused by a vaccine that should never have been given to anybody, let alone an animal. So, let me talk to you about a personal story you were telling me about earlier. You and mom went shopping. Tell me what happened.

Katie Hopkins: These are the moment’s Barry, where, you know, you just feel sometimes things seem dark, but then you have these moments, and it’s like sunshine. So, I’m with my mom. We are just at the checkout. I was buying a roast.

I bought roast lamb because we’re having people for dinner. The guy behind the checkout kind of recognized me. So, he was great.  He was like, “Well, I’m surviving the madness.” You could see him relax because it was my mom and me. Then some people in line with us because I didn’t have my mask on, nor did my mom we were all having fun.

They take them off, and they say, “Well, we don’t have to have these on when you’re around,” gesturing at me. Then we would chat, and I gave them a little hug. They said, “And also, if someone did bother us while you were around, you’ll come to our defense.” I was like, “Absolutely no one’s going to bother you while I’m around.”

I tell that story, not through any sort of sense of, “Oh, because I’m here to save the day”. More because our side is this side, this is our side. This is what you, me, Annie, all the rest of us, all of your ATP viewers, this is what we are about. We just want everyone to live exactly how they please within the law and to feel better, and that was just a moment when you are leaving.

My mom said, “Did you know those people?” And I was like, “No, Mom, we need each other.” I think that’s what we do. Barry, it is what you are doing. We’re helping people just to breathe. I don’t mean it necessarily in the physical sense with the mask.

But when people are with us or like this with our ATP teams, people can just relax and breathe again. That was true in the supermarket today with my mom. So, I just wanted to share that because it’s a small story, but it’s a cute one.

Barry Nussbaum: I appreciate that. It brings rise the big question that I’ve never been able to understand. Honestly, nobody can understand. Why in this country you can go to a big hardware store like Home Depot and you can touch every single thing in the store. You touch it and put it in your cart.

Then the checkout person touches it and runs it through the scanner. Those stores never got hassled. But you couldn’t go to a neighborhood hardware store. You can go to a big chain restaurant, but you couldn’t go to a neighborhood restaurant.

I mean, the decisions that were being made and still are, are insane. Then in our country, the amount of hypocrisy is growing exponentially on all news channels. Now they’re showing the leaders of cities and states who have draconian rules about you can’t do this, you can’t go out after ten o’clock, and you can’t have a Thanksgiving dinner.

God forbid you to celebrate Christmas with more than two people and on and on and on. While they are jetting to Cabo, going to Maui, going skiing, boating, or having dinner that cost thirty thousand dollars. The do as I say, not as I do that we hear on our side, is out of control, Katie. So well done taking your mom out and experiencing a little bit of normalcy.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, normal, and joy. As you say, “The madness is all around”. Right now, as we speak, people in Wales aren’t allowed to drink alcohol in a pub. So, you could be in a pub, but you’re not allowed to drink alcohol. Just once you start making up irrational rules, everything becomes utterly irrational. I think that’s what we can learn.

Barry Nussbaum: Oh, absolutely. So, let’s change the subject for a second. This was a story out of the UK that I’ve followed, and you mentioned it to me. I’d like you to tell us the story of Carrabelle.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, amazing. So, Carrabelle when she was a young girl, she was confused, and obviously, life was a struggle. She thought that the answer was to go a clinic. She thought the answer was that she was the wrong gender. She’d obviously been spoken to a lot about this at school.

These groups go into schools and persuade these children that the answer to all their problems is changing their gender. So, she went through that process when she was under the age of 16. She had a three-hour consultation, and they gave her puberty blockers, and she was under 16. Up to three hours.

That started her down a route and before she realized she went through the horrific surgery of having a double mastectomy. It wasn’t until the age of, I think, 21 that she realized that this was not the route for her. This was not solving the problem. That the problem she had was different completely.

She’d been misdirected down a terrible path that involved physical injury to herself, and a hormonal change. Not only did she start to reverse this process to reclaim her name and reclaim her body as she can. She took this all the way to the high court in the UK.

She had the courage to stand there and say, “I made this mistake, but also adults pushed me to make this horrific mistake.” She got the law changed so that it is no longer lawful for an under 16-year-old to make their own decision to take these puberty blockers.

I suppose Barry that out of the darkness and the craziness of the trans-mafia, as I call them, these people who I believe are actually abusing our children, comes this story of a sort of modern-day hero in a way because of her heroism coming back. Imagine fronting up. Imagine the hatred she’s getting from the trans-mafia now.

She still went for it because she said, “I need other children not to go through this.” So, there’s an uplifting end to this. I think Carrabelle is sort of a hero of mine because it means my children or someone else’s children now, won’t have this done to them by adults determined to push this horrific agenda on our kids.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, thanks for sharing the story. It’s horrible, but as you said, maybe it’ll keep one other young lady from going through a similar nightmare.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: So, I appreciate you sharing it. Thanks for coming on today.

Katie Hopkins: Thank You.

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