Israeli Solution to Palestinian Peace
Barry Nussbaum: Welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. Our wonderful guest today, Dr. Mordechai Kedar, is joining us all the way from Israel. Motti is a twenty-five year experienced IDF intelligence officer. He went on to a career as a professor at Bar Ilan University, where he still lectures. He writes books. He appears on newscasts all over the world as a specialist in Middle East politics, especially relating to Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and terrorism. Welcome, Dr. Kedar. We're going to do today in English so yours truly and the rest of our guests understand what you're going to say.
Mordechai Kedar: Thank you so much for giving me the pulpit.
Barry Nussbaum: It's so great to have you here. So let's kick it off with the question that everybody wants to know, which is what is the reason the Bebe plan for Middle East peace is not acceptable in the eyes of the Middle Eastern governments.
Mordechai Kedar: As much as I think Netanyahu and Jared Kushner sat together and titled this plan, unfortunately, Netanyahu, with all his abilities, doesn't speak Arabic. I don't know how much he is aware of the culture of the Middle East. I don't know if he has the ability to speak to Arab leaders in their language or in their concepts. Of course, he is experienced, but he lacks these skills to understand the neighbors. And it is very hard. Believe me, Barry, it's not enough if you spend a month or even a year. You have to study their culture deeply. You have to understand Islam. You have to understand tribalism and how it works because this is a social structure. You have to understand all kinds of concepts that are as far as could be from the American mindset. So, unfortunately, this is the middle. What can I do? This is what the area is. And this is why this deal essentially could be viewed as a very positive thing to Israelis or Americans or many others. While in the Middle East, people look at it as something which is almost totally unacceptable.
Barry Nussbaum: So you've told me in the past that you have a plan for the Middle East. Tell us, what is the Motti plan.
Mordechai Kedar: I came out with another solution years ago, which is the Emirate solution. The eight Palestinian Emirates solution. It is based on the fact that there are roughly two kinds of states in the Middle East. One kind is the failing states. I mean, Iraq and Syria and Lebanon and the Sudan and Yemen and Libya, Algeria, and on the other side, you can find the successful states which are the nine Emirates in the Gulf, Kuwait, Qatar, and the seven Emirates, which are united in the United Arab Emirates, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Ras al-Khaimah, Fujairah and so forth. Altogether, nine countries, peaceful, successful, a heaven on earth.
Barry Nussbaum: So many people think that these nine states are successful because of their oil is that really the case.
Mordechai Kedar: It's wrong. Dubai has no oil and no gas, while Iraq has a lot of oil. Libya has even more oil. And Iraq and Libya are hell on earth with oil. In contrast, Dubai without oil is a heaven on earth. So evidently, it's not the oil. Because if it was, the oil Dubai would be hell, and Iraq and Libya would be in heaven. But the situation is totally different.
Barry Nussbaum: Ok. So it's not the oil. What's the reason for their success?
Mordechai Kedar: The fact that each and every one of them is one single tribe, one single clan, while Iraq and Syria and all the other failures are conglomerates of many clans, many ethnic groups, and religious groups. Iraq is only Iraq but has ten religions. Ten religions! And another problem is the sects. The state of Iraq failed in exchanging the loyalties, the different loyalties of the people. People do not define themselves as Iraqi. Maybe abroad, but not in Iraq. And they fight each other because of rivalries, which they've carried for hundreds of years. And this is why these countries are a failure.
Barry Nussbaum: So, with your understanding of the tribalism of the Middle East and the plethora of competing religious beliefs, with that background, how did the Palestinians come to the peace table?
Mordechai Kedar: If we have to solve the Palestinian problem, which kind would you do like to create, a successful state or a failed state? Of course, you would like to have success, which means to establish states according to the clans, as it is in the Gulf Emirates. And every Arab city is very clannish. If you tell me somebody's name, I'll tell you where he lives because they don't move from place to place. Because their homeland is the clan in the city, not the whole land according to their concepts, and this is the difference in culture. And this is why people have to understand it. This is why what I want to establish is Emirates. And they have a tribal court which solves every problem between them. Israel should remain forever in the rural areas and suggest to the citizens to take Israeli citizenship if they take it, good. And if they don't take it, even better. But this is the solution which we set free some 90 percent of the population, those dwelling in cities and Israel will keep the rural areas with more or less ten or twelve or fifteen percent of the population. It depends on the borders of the Emirates. Every Emirate would have a government, will have its own system without interfering in each other's problems.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, we'll see in the coming months whether the Motti Kedar plan is the one that is picked over the Donald Trump plan or the Bebe Netanyahu plan. A very special thank you to our guest, Motti Kedar, all the way from Israel. For those of you who want to learn more about him, please go to his YouTube site. There are hundreds of videos there. You can learn about all of his plans for all of the countries in the Middle East. And in the meantime, for those of you that haven't subscribed yet, please take out your cell phone, type the word truth and send it to 88202. You'll be automatically subscribed. You'll get all of our shows and information on your cell phone absolutely free. You don't have to do anything but look down into the palm of your hand. For ATP Report, I'm Barry Nussbaum.