Islamic Censorship of The U.S. Constitution
Barry Nussbaum: Hello, and welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. Our very special guest today is Dr. Bill Warner. He's obviously a good friend of the American Truth Project, and he's the founder of the Center for Political Islam International. Dr. Bill is the author of many books and articles, he is a specialist and scholar on Islam. He is a college professor, an educator, and our friend. Welcome, Dr. Bill.
Dr. Bill Warner: Glad to be here, Barry.
Barry Nussbaum: So today we're going to talk about Islam. We're going to talk about freedom of expression and freedom of the press as it relates to that subject. So let's start with, well, the golden rule. The one where it says, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” As you've called it, ‘It's the ethical foundation of Western civilization.” Critical thought, the intellectual foundation of our civilization, is based on examining and discussing an idea. As you've said. “There's no critical thought without freedom of speech, and without freedom of speech, there's no freedom of the press and probably not freedom of religion.” What are your thoughts on that?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, first off, they are our most precious freedoms. The freedom to speak, what we want to say. The freedom to believe what we want to believe. Our freedom of speech plays into critical thought, and critical thought is the foundation of our civilization. But there's also the golden rule, which you had mentioned, that these two interact with each other and they allow us to have a constitution which is adaptive. For instance, I happen to be a man, so when the Constitution was written, I would have been able to vote if I owned property. As time went on, it became less and less obvious to anybody why women should not be able to vote, as well. I mean, if I were a woman, I'd want to vote. Here we have the golden rule aspect cutting in, but do I want to be cut out of voting just because I'm a woman. No, and once you start thinking about it, it doesn't even make any good sense. So, these two ethical principles interact with each other and give us flexibility. If we lose them, we've lost the foundations of our civilization, and Barry, I'm very much concerned about this. I don't mean to be a worry-wart, but when Facebook sets up a hate speech engineering team, I'm like, “Who will they censor?” Well, I'd be one of the first.
Barry Nussbaum: I'd be right behind you. Freedom of speech includes the ability to be critical of others and to express hate speech, more or less. I looked it up in the dictionary. The best definition I found for hate speech is a public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation. Hate speech includes communications of animosity or disparagement of an individual or group based on that group's characteristics. How did that definition, the one I just read, include saying anything negative about Islam. How is that hate speech? If you're just reporting the facts?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, facts have become hate. Once again, the novel 1984 seems to be upon us. Look, we need to discuss difficult issues, and we need to discuss all points of the issue. Everybody would like to think that they're the one who is the smartest man in the room, but the truth of the matter is we all make errors, we all make mistakes, and we need to be able to be corrected on those. If hate speech includes correcting people into doing ineffective things, then hate speech is simply something that retards our civilization. Besides that, who defines these groups that can't be hated? For instance, I'm a white Southern male. Let me assure you, Barry, that I'm not on the select list of those who are to be protected.
Barry Nussbaum: I guarantee it. But, you as a scholar, quote Islam, you're going to be labeled a purveyor of hate speech. Here's my real specific lack of understanding. Islamic sponsored violent speech, especially from Imans who openly, from Islamic centers around the world, but let's talk about America, who openly call for violence and openly call for the murder of Jews, Christians, or people that they think have defiled the religion, for some reason, that's okay. But if you report about it and quote what was said, you are a hater. How did Islam become this protected minority that can say whatever it wants as a group, but if you quote it, you are a hater.
Dr. Bill Warner: "I will strike terror into the heart of the kafir," is one of the phrases that comes from the Quran. So, basically, people are afraid of Islam. When I first started doing this, and people found out what I was doing, one of the most common questions was, "Aren't you afraid?" As a matter of fact, that's the reason I did a video one time called 'Why We Are Afraid?" It traced the history of jihad for over fourteen hundred years. The reason I got that title was that that it was something that people said to me, "They're afraid of Islam." I find it interesting that one of the professors at Al-Azhar University said, "That it was the Law of Apostasy that allowed Islam to exist because the people could leave if they wanted to, and it would cease to exist." So, I'm not sure what that has got to do with hate, but I guess a Muslim, when you learn to hate Islam, you've got to stay with it. You can't leave it.
Barry Nussbaum: So why is Islam afforded special treatment? Why are Muslims a protected minority in that you can say whatever you want from the pulpit in a Muslim religious center, you can print horrible things, or you can call for the death of Dr. Bill and Barry, but if we report about it and then we quote the scriptures without even a commentary we're haters. Why is that a protected minority group with those special circumstances? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.
Dr. Bill Warner: They demanded, and we're living in a country now, in which the demands of the minority are to be honored. So they demand it. I've spoken with one woman who was the head of the National Organization of Women here in Nashville, Tennessee, and I asked her, I said, "How can you tolerate as a feminist the business of Sharia violence against women?" She says, "Bill, I've tried to bring it up in meetings, and they immediately shut me down. They will not let me talk about it." I was trying to talk to some Jewish leaders in this town, and one of them, who is a very successful businessman and an attorney, looked at me and said, "You're a member of the KKK for all practical purposes. I don't want to hear any more about this. You're a hater." All I was doing was, guess what, talking about what Mohammed did with the Jews. I've talked with Christians. Would you ever stand up for the persecuted Christians in the Middle East? They don't say a word. They want to be nice, and no one wants to ruffle feathers. Everybody seems to be suffering from some sort of massive guilt complex.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, it's really not just Islam anymore. It seems it's just not okay to discuss in critical terms, in addition to Islam, race, climate change, gender studies, your disagreement with the COVID virus, lockdown's or lack thereof, Black Lives Matter is protected speech. Protected groups are spreading so fast that our First Amendment rights are shrinking into smaller and smaller boxes.
Dr. Bill Warner: This is true. Here's an example of why we need free speech. I was a professor at a historically black university for eight years. I'm very well known for my frankness in speech. One day I talked with a class, and they talked about something, I forget what, anyway, they were describing themselves as victims. I said, "Let me ask you something, gentlemen," because it was a Muslim middle class. I said, "Let me explain something to you about being a victim. Listen carefully. A victim is a loser. Why do you want to put yourself in the position of modeling your entire civilization on being a loser?" I said, "You want to be a winner." I said to do that, "You need to start positively in your thinking." But I said, "If you all think that I can't succeed because ‘white’ is going to keep me down, then you're going to do nothing, and you're being controlled." So we need to be able to bring up points that may be unpleasant, but they're true, and my comments were meant to be useful. I wanted my students to succeed, not to figure, well, there's no sense trying, because as we all know, the first step toward success is deciding you're going to do something. This victim mentality means you don't do anything because why should you bother to do anything?
Barry Nussbaum: Yeah, well, you talked about feminism as an example. I'm stunned that women who march in these women's marches and, as a general rule, consider Donald Trump to be the worst thing that ever happened to women's rights in the history of mankind, but they won't speak out against Sharia treatment of women. There are Islamic men worldwide killing their women, mutilating their women, selling their women, beating their women to death, and yet that's not okay to talk about it. Jews, as you mentioned, don't seem to want to speak out against Islamic hatred of Jews. Christians don't seem to want to speak out about Christians being slaughtered, the mass murders in Africa, Asia, and in the Middle East. Why the silence, Bill?
Dr. Bill Warner: Fear, is what I think. Because who is the German theologian who said, "Silence in the face of evil is evil itself?" We've become a nation that has become passive. I think we're too soft. When I see injustice, my first instinct is to do something about it. I don't care what you say about me. I'm going to do it and say it anyway. But other people seem to be very influenced by not being unpopular because they want to do something, but if only if it's nice. Let me tell you something nice is okay in small doses, but taken as a steady diet it produces somebody who's not a strong person.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, you got that right, Dr. Bill. So I understand you've got a new organization that is intended to educate on this subject. Please tell our listeners about it.
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, I can talk about this because I don't need to take much credit for it at all. Some years ago, about six years, as a matter of fact, a man named Milan Podlipny called from the Czech Republic and said, "Could we start a Center for the Study of Political Islam in Central Europe?" And I said, "Sure." I never thought anything about it, but it turns out he's an organizational genius. So over a period of six years, he put together something which we call CSPI International. What is amazing is we are now bringing it to the United States. This process has started, and it's a very unique thing. We are volunteer-based. We are a nonprofit educational institution. We translate and publish books. We provide training, lectures, and do research. So we also have a global connection because we think that Islam is a global problem, and it demands an international solution. Let's imagine for the moment that the United States became totally free of all the problems of Islam, but in the rest of the world, it grew. One day they would close in on us. Islam must be defeated in a global sense, not just in a local town hall meeting.
Barry Nussbaum: Where can people find out about the organization?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, if you don't have a pencil at hand, you can contact me at politicalIslam.com, but if you have a pencil in hand, it's CSPII.org, and there's a place there where you can join us. When you join us, it's not like an ordinary organization. You're going to need to work and change yourself. There's a lot you're going to have to learn, but this is only one of two organizations. Let me add quickly that we have another organization that is not highly structured at all. It's called Kafir Net because not everybody wants to become disciplined and learn a lot about Islam and do what you have to do at CSPI International. But in this way, you can set up and define your projects, have people you want to work with, so that's a community project page. So what we are designing is for those who would like to be just purely activists.
Barry Nussbaum: Thanks for joining us today, Bill. Thank you for joining us at ATP Report. Remember, if you haven't signed up yet for our free text message alert system, please take out your cell phone now. Type the word TRUTH in the message box. Send it to 88202, 88202. Push send. You'll be automatically connected and signed up for a free text message alert system to get this show and all other shows directly to your cell phone. You can always do it on the internet as well by going to Americantruthproject.org and signing up there. For ATP Report, I'm Barry Nussbaum.