Dr. Bill Warner Reveals the Truth Behind Political Islam
Barry Nussbaum: Welcome to ATP Report, I'm Barry Nussbaum. We are extremely honored to have a very special guest today. We have Dr. Bill Warner, the founder, and president of the Center for the Study of Political Islam. As you know, from watching American Truth Project for years, we keep asking you to read the Koran, understand Islam, so you know what you're dealing with. Well, Bill Warner is the guy on Islam. He has a number of books out. I urge you to go to his website you can order from there. He makes it very simple to understand in English. And he has an abridged Koran, which is fantastic. Welcome, Dr. Bill Warner. Let's start with you telling us a little bit about your background and the websites. I know there are two of them that our viewers can go to.
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, I've been a scientist all my life, and so I brought this along with me when I started reading the doctrine of Islam. After 9/11, I had already read the Koran and the life of Mohammad. So when I saw the second plane hit the second tower, I said, this is jihad. Islam is here. It was immediately clear to me that I lived in a nation which had been attacked in a major jihad attack and that no one knew what was going on. So I decided what I would do is, is I would make the doctrine of Islam understandable to, as I say, the truck driver and the plumber. And that's what I've done. I've taken the source text from Islam, and by the way, you've mentioned the Koran. There are two other books which we have to use here. The Koran is not enough to learn about Islam. You also need to know the Sira, the life of Mohammad and the Hadith, his traditions. And this is fascinating material. So this is the work I do. I want people to understand what I do, or I want people to understand what Islam does. And I have a website, politicalIslam.com. And by the way, I'm proud to say that I coined the term political Islam because, on the day after 9/11, I realized that living in America, there was no sense attacking a religion. But we can tackle a political system. And as it turns out, Islam is more of a political doctrine than it is religious doctrine.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, let's talk about specifics. I've learned a lot from reading your writings. Our audience needs to do the same. Let's give them a brief education in our segments that we're going to do together. And let's start out with I guess the idea that Mohammed laid out an outline for war.
Dr. Bill Warner: Mohammed was the greatest warrior who ever lived. No one dies today because of Napoleon and Alexander the Greater or Caesar. But someone died today because of Mohammed. He created a whole new form of war, which I call civilizational war. The man was a military genius. He was able to take everything in a civilization and make it a weapon against the host society. So now we have many Muslims in America, and we're seeing that they make their own demands, not what America is, but what they want America to become and what they want America to become is a Sharia state.
Barry Nussbaum: So he talked about all aspects of life can be weaponized.
Dr. Bill Warner: Yes.
Barry Nussbaum: Explain that.
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, let's take a fashion item. The hijab, the head covering. There have been many people who've hired a Muslim woman to be a sales clerk and didn't know they were Muslim. But then one day, two weeks after she's got the job, she walks in with the hijab on, and the owner of the shop goes, "Wait a minute. That's not part of our dress code." She says, "I'm a Muslim. It is my religious right to wear this." So we see that Islam can use a simple item like that to Islamicize. I call the hijab, the head covering, the banner of Sharia. And when I see a woman who's a Muslim with a hijab on, I figure, well, she's Sharia-compliant. That is, she's really very serious about her religion and her political system.
Barry Nussbaum: So, as you've said, Mohammed is this great warrior. Maybe the greatest of all time because people are still fighting and dying to fulfill the prophecies and outline of life that he described a thousand years ago. How is it different from the Bible and the wars that were described in the Bible?
Dr. Bill Warner: There's a huge difference. The battles in the Old Testament, because there are none in the New Testament or the Hebrew Bible, if we want to use the more proper term, are there as a historical lesson. This happened at this time, and this is what was done. The battles that are in the Koran are prescriptive. That is, you should do this until the end of time. So one is a view in the rearview mirror, and the other is almost the headlights pointing ahead as to where we're going. And by the way, there will be war from Islam as long as there's even one unbeliever left on the face of the earth. That is the doctrine of the Koran.
Barry Nussbaum: So in other words, one is a prescription for what you as a good devout follower are supposed to do versus Christians and Jews that read historical battles, stories to derive lessons from them, but not tell them how to go out and fight.
Dr. Bill Warner: Exactly. Major difference.
Barry Nussbaum: So you're talking about there seven verses that are bad news.
Dr. Bill Warner: Right.
Barry Nussbaum: Got it.
Dr. Bill Warner: By the way, that figure is wrong. I gave the speech that way, but there are actually 13 verses. And one of the things I do, by the way, with Islamic text, is I measure them. If this is repeated 13 times, you figure, well, they're serious about that. And they're very simple that a Muslim is not to have a kafir, a non-Muslim as a real friend. They can be friendly. But as I say, you can just sort out a friend from a friendly person very easily by going to a car lot. As soon as you step onto a car lot, it is my experience you will soon meet a very friendly person who wants to help please you. He's a car salesman. He is being friendly. But let me tune you into this. He's not your friend.
Barry Nussbaum: I've experienced that, as have all of us.
Dr. Bill Warner: But the same is true of Islam. Now, let me say something here. These are some of my most unfavorite verses in the Koran because it breaks my heart that as a person, because of his religion, he cannot really be my friend. I found this highly disturbing. It's a disaster, actually. So what it means is if you meet a Muslim at work, you never really know exactly who he is. Is he just being friendly or is he really your friend? But I will say this as much as he is actually your friend, he is not a Muslim.
Barry Nussbaum: In other words, to be a friend to a non-believer is outside the rules.
Dr. Bill Warner: Exactly. Now, of course, they have to do business with them. It doesn't mean they're going to be mean when they see you, but it does mean that if it comes down to making a choice between Islam and you, the choice is always with Islam.
Barry Nussbaum: Got it. So are there other verses? You mentioned there's 13 that are the bad news versus so to speak. Can you outline a few of those?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, they all say the same thing, basically. Do not take the unbeliever as a friend. Don't even take your parents as friends over the Muslims. So when you become a Muslim, if the rest of your family doesn't join with you, then they're not really your brothers and sisters anymore. Your true brothers and sisters lie within Islam. It's a very divisive subject.
Barry Nussbaum: Interesting. So let's talk about one of those stipulations, the rules on clothing. What was Mohammed trying to create? Because I don't see Muslim men, at least in American society, dressing any different. But the women are completely different.
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, this business of the hijab, there's a subtlety to it. There are verses in the Koran, which refer to covering, but they're for Mohammed's wives. This was later adopted to be true of all Muslims. But there are many Muslim women who do not wear the hijab, but as I say when I see a woman with a hijab on, I figured she's very serious about what she does. She's really Islamic.
Barry Nussbaum: Is there a difference between just the hijab and the full burqa?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, the full burqa, by the way, the word for the face covering is the niqab. The burqa is just one of these manifestations. The burqa is found primarily in Afghanistan, although with many people, the word now means any fully draped woman, and it is division. You know what it is? It's like a wall between us as clothing, and that is the part of its purpose to establish the fact that there is an Islamic society, and we're not in that Islamic society.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, it's clear that it's no different, I suppose than a uniform that wants you to be identified to others as part of a group that maybe others aren't part of. Is there a deeper meaning to that?
Dr. Bill Warner: Not to my knowledge. It is interesting, by the way, to see that sometimes there are we've noticed here in Nashville, Tennessee, that there are times in which you find all kinds of women who are obviously Muslim in say the Target store and in other periods of time they don't appear at all. It's almost like in Macedonia, they, if you become a Muslim and you're a woman, the mosque will pay you a stipend per month if you will wear the hijab because this advances the cause of Islam. It makes the countryside or the cityscape more Islamic. And so that appears what its purpose is. It's almost like a projection of power.
Barry Nussbaum: And what is the purpose of the covering?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, the original script is it had something to do with the Muslim women not being bothered when they went out at night to go to the bathroom. So if they were draped, then they couldn't be identified going to the bathroom. So its purpose has always been to set this Muslim separate from the non-Muslim. That's really its ultimate purpose.
Barry Nussbaum: And why are the men not covered?
Dr. Bill Warner: Well, now you've asked a very interesting question here. You'll discover that by and large, the women are subjugated in Islam. As a matter of fact, I took the Koran and studied it this way. I took all the verses from the Koran that dealt with women and then put them out. And then I said, does it make the woman equal to man, superior to man or inferior to man? Well, it turns out that about 5 percent of the verses, the woman is exalted because she is the mother. Now in Islam, the mother is the highest rank that a woman can achieve. About ten to twelve percent of these are on judgment day; the woman will be judged according to the merits, just like the husband is judged with their merits. But there's a little secret here. The woman, one of the things she's judged by on Judgement Day, is how well does she obey her husband? In the balance of the verses, the woman is subjugated, and here's an example of that. I'm married for some years, had kids and grandkids, and we had two daughters, and my wife breastfed them. There is a verse in the Koran that says it is the male, the father in the house who will tell the woman when the child should be weaned from the breast. I was like, "What?" I would have never thought to tell my wife, "You know, it's time to take Susan off the breast." I mean, the idea that a man would tell a woman when to stop breastfeeding a child is unfathomable to me and yet is there in the Koran. So the women are often subjugated is another way of answering your question.
Barry Nussbaum: Thanks for joining us today on American Truth Project's ATP Report and a special big thanks for Dr. Bill Warner. Please go to his website, check out his books, and get one of his Korans, so you understand what we're talking about and where the source material comes from. I also want to remind our viewers, take out your cell phones, text the word truth to 8 8 2 0 2. You'll be signed up for our text message service, so you'll never miss a video just like this one for ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum.