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Clare Lopez: With or Without the U.S., Israel Will Destroy the Iran Nuclear Program

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Barry Nussbaum: Hello, and welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. We have a terrific guest today. She's going to be on in just a second but first homework assignment for all of you out there that haven't completed this assignment. Please take out your cell phone, text the word TRUTH, T-R-U-T-H, and address it to the number 88202. You'll be signed up for free for all of our ATP content, including today's special guest, which happens to be a friend of the family, Clare Lopez.

As you know, Clare has a very impressive background in various roles, with the United States government overseas in the intelligence field at the CIA, the State Department, and other places. She writes, does videos, is the expert on everything about American policy, and is the founder of Lopez Liberty LLC. Hello. Welcome, Clare.

Clare Lopez: Thank you, Barry. Another great intro. Thank you very much.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, it's all you, so it's easy. Let's start with the new variety of the month. I'm referring to the Omicron variant of the SARS-COVID virus. Especially now that it's in the news and nobody says Delta anymore. That was so last month.

This month it's Omicron. Apparently, it's more contagious and less deadly. So, as you and I have talked about, as the virus mutates, as all flu viruses do, it becomes more contagious and less dangerous, but we're panicking like crazy. My question to you is why?

Clare Lopez: Well, you're right about the Omicron variant Barry, that it is a mutation. We are well down into the Greek alphabet by now. There have been previous mutations that nobody ever even noticed, Lambda and Mu. The original variant or the original SARS-CoV-2.

The Alpha no longer exists, but yes, viruses mutate all the time. This is their nature to mutate, and the more obstacles, read vaccines, are thrown in its way. The more the virus, anthropomorphizing just a bit here. Tries to, wants to evade those obstacles.

So, we are down to the O. The Omicron of the Greek alphabet, but also typically, as you say, the further along the variations go, typically with a virus, the more contagious, the more transmissible. You can see why.

Again, anthropomorphizing, but the virus wants more hosts to infect. At the same time, less deadly, less lethal, and happily, so far with this variant, Omicron, there are absolutely zero deaths of Omicron. There is one reported death out of Britain, as I understand it, of somebody who died with Omicron. That might have been a speck of virus on their PJs. Nobody really knows for sure, but one last bit on this, and it's a bit of a question mark. That is, where did this one come from? Yes, they spring up naturally.

This is Darwin, natural selection. You know, selection or survival of the fittest, but we've been told it originated in South Africa. In fact, it seems that this variant, Omicron, originated next door in Botswana. It originated with a couple of visiting diplomats whose home country is never mentioned.

Now, if their home country were a neighboring Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, or, you know, another country in Africa, they would have said so right away, but they haven't. So, the question hanging out there is, where exactly did this variant come from?

Is it purely a result of natural selection, survival of the fittest, or is something else going on as with the original variant? The Alpha, the first one of SARS-CoV2, which we know, of course, came out of the Chinese Communist Party, People's Liberation Army weapons labs.

Barry Nussbaum: But Clare, I agree with everything you said. Actually, even the mainstream media agrees with everything you said, so that's one of those rare occasions. The part I don't get is that viruses run their course, as my late mother used to say, and you need to let it do that. Then it just went away, and she was right. That's normally what happens. Why are we panicking over this? Why are they now talking about booster number two and booster number three? We have to conquer Omicron. We've got to do new shutdowns. Why?

Clare Lopez: Well, I'm going to refer to an excellent set of videos and interviews by a Belgian intellectual. I believe a medical doctor named Dr. Matthias Desmet, D-E-S-M-E-T. He proposes to answer your question that what has overtaken the entire world, or at least a good part of it, is what he calls a mass formation.

We might call it something more along the lines of mass psychosis, or even I've heard this term mass hypnosis. In other words, people around the world have been scared out of their wits by something that has no bigger a lethality rate than the annual flu. Then on the flip side, there are those, again, many places in the world, but especially we'll say here in the United States.

At the municipality, the city, the state level, and certainly at the public health level in the United States that have used, have cold-bloodedly used this crisis to #1 make gazillions of dollars in profit from "vaccines." Well, that's air quotes "vaccines," of course, they're genetic therapies. #2 to impose power.

To exert power over the population and to shut down the economy. To ruin millions of small businesses. To keep kids out of school, losing class time for more than a year, and on and on we go. It is mandating a penalty of losing your job or getting jabbed. This is too theoretical.

Barry Nussbaum: Yeah. I can tell you in just listening to you. The more I listen, the more I agree that this makes no sense, and yet we're doing it. Speaking of no sense, let's talk about Iran for a minute. The P5+1 is going full speed ahead, trying to put the deal back together in Vienna. Specifically, a JCPOA amended agreement. Except now while they're talking, even though the United States is excluded from the room.

Iran is firing up more centrifuges than ever before, enriching more uranium than ever before. They're literally on the cusp if they haven't crossed the line into being able to manufacture half a dozen nuclear bombs. Yet what's leaking out of the communications in Vienna, Clare, as you know so well, is Iran isn't going to give up anything. They're going to allow some cameras at the wrong sites.

They're not going to allow inspections where they really should be, like Fordo, which is under a mountain. They're running thousands and thousands of centrifuges, and it sounds to me like the only thing the various countries on the other side of the table are going to get is a new trading partner. Meaning we buy their oil, and we invest in their companies. Iran gives up nothing. Am I missing something here?

Clare Lopez: No, Barry, you're not missing anything at all. So, here's the thing about Vienna. This is, I believe, the seventh round of talks being held there. They include the P5+1, as you say, that is, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, U.S., I'll mention that in a minute, U.S., U.K., Russia, China, France, and the +1 Germany, plus the European Union represented there, too.

However, here's the thing. The U.S. at Iran's demand is not even in the room, is not even allowed to be in the same room as the others who are negotiating. Our Department of State meekly, Anthony Blinken, just said, okay, we'll sit out in the hallway just as long as you promise to come out and tell us what's going on now and then.

That's what's happening. They're not even in the same room, but all of them piteously begged the Iranian regime to be allowed back into the July 2015 nuclear deal. But here's the problem—

  1. Iran is playing games with them, slapping them all upside the head, and demanding that all sanctions ever imposed since the beginning of time be removed before they'll even budge on these negotiations.
  2. I think this is more important. That is since 2015. We're now in 2021, six-plus years later. The Iranian regime has so far surpassed the provisions in that nuclear deal as you were enumerating their Barry, in terms of numbers of centrifuges, the advanced models.

They were supposed to be the first generation allowed to be deployed, IR1, as they call them. They're up to installing IR6, six generations on. So, newer, faster, better centrifuges. More centrifuges than were allowed under the deal, and then enriching uranium at greater volume than was allowed under the deal to a much higher-level percentage of enrichment, the deal says, 3.67%.

They are openly acknowledging now that they're enriching up to 60%. You can make a bomb out of 60%, but the ideal is over 90% weapons-grade, and who knows how many warheads they've already made in places, as you say that the IAEA, that's International Atomic Energy Agency nuclear watchdog for the United Nations.

Their inspectors are not even allowed to go to, and yes, the Iranian regime has smashed cameras in some of the places we know about. Never mind the places we don't know about that, of course, they don't have cameras, but now the places we did know about have had the camera smashed, broken by the regime, and they're not being allowed to be repaired or replaced. This is where we are at.

Barry Nussbaum: So, Israel sees that, and apparently the Israeli leadership is the only government in the world that's saying, hey, the emperor has no clothes, and we're not going away. So, now their warnings to Iran and the rest of the world have never been more explicit. Defense Minister Benny Gantz, formerly commander of the IDF, the Israeli army, has made it very clear, so has Naftali Bennett, the prime minister.

Just as Bibi Netanyahu did previously, there will be no nuclear weapons in Iran, but the United States, a few days ago, denied long-range tanker aircraft, which could refuel dozens of Israeli bombers in the air. No one knows why. There was no explanation given other than the United States said no. Will Israel attack anyway, Clare Lopez?

Clare Lopez: Well, the first thing that we need to acknowledge, of course, is that Israel is squarely in Tehran's bull's eye. They are the first target. They are the ones most in immediate danger from this regime in Tehran, should it deploy deliverable nuclear weapons.

Now back to what we were talking about with regard to the deal and how far past the deal the Iranians have gone. It's impossible to go back to that deal. It's just not possible to do that, but meanwhile, of course, all these steps.

They openly acknowledged steps are being taken, and yes, the top levels of the Israeli government, Prime Minister, Defense Minister Chief of the IDF Chief of Staff, Kochavi. It's a period of months that I've heard them make more and more explicit warnings directed right at Tehran.

We will not allow you to deploy deliverable nuclear weapons. I think the Israelis probably have the best intelligence about where the Iranian nuclear weapons program is. In my opinion, I think it is probably because the Israelis depend on an internal network of Iranians.

It is probably affiliated with the Mujahadeen-e-Khalq that keeps them informed on where the program is and how far along, but this is something that baffles me, and that is again, my personal opinion is that Iran has been building warheads for some time now.

I think, personal opinion, they probably have maybe somewhere in the range of five to 10, but under the international definition, it's not officially called a weapon until that warhead gets attached to the nose cone of a missile, a delivery system.

Barry Nussbaum: And Iran has announced new ICBM missile tests this week.

Clare Lopez: There we go.

Barry Nussbaum: There's your delivery system.

Clare Lopez: And one last point that you mentioned. I wanted to comment on it, and that was the Israeli request. It was a request for expedited delivery of midair fueling tanker aircraft that are already on order, and I guess they're going to be delivered.

I think they said somewhere towards the end of 2024, but they asked for expedited delivery because they need them ASAP. That's what was turned down.

Barry Nussbaum: Disgusting. Unbelievable. If we have a nuclear war or if we have an attack on the nuclear program. I hold the American government culpable for not standing against Iran's regime and the open arrogance, making it very clear we're building nuclear weapons.

There isn't anything you can do about it. Then a middle finger comes up, and we, as you said, sent out in the hall hoping to be told what's being negotiated. I'm disgusted. I really am. Clare, tell people where they can find out about you.

Clare Lopez: Well, certainly right here at American Truth Project, and you heard Barry give the cell phone text number, 88202, which if you put that into your cell phone, and text it to my name L-O-P-E-Z, you'll get announcements, text messages for my specific videos like this one that we're doing today.

Also, I publish at the Citizens Commission on National Security. I write at the David Horowitz Freedom Center's online, FrontPage magazine. Join Jamie Glazov on the Glazov Gang now and then. You can find me on social media too @ClareM Lopez on Twitter. Also, my name at Facebook, and Lopez Liberty on Telegram. One more before I forget, and that is The United West.

Barry Nussbaum: The ubiquitous Clare Lopez, she is everywhere. Thanks for coming on today, Clare, and thank you out there in ATP Land for joining us on a very special episode. Listen to Clare Lopez. Send Lopez to 88202, and push send. You'll get all of her stuff absolutely free. For ATP Report, thanks for joining us today. I'm Barry Nussbaum.

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