Clare Lopez Proves Terror Group Working in U.S. Government
Barry Nussbaum: Welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. We are back with our special guest, Clare Lopez. She is the esteemed scholar at the Center for Security Policy. In our last episode, she told us some really, well, unsettling news that a Hamas affiliated Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization called CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations, is now an appointee of the Trump administration to help train our customs and border patrol security officers. Clare, welcome back. Let's continue.
Clare Lopez: Thank you, Barry, lots to cover here.
Barry Nussbaum: Oh, boy, I told you on the break I'm very concerned about this as I'm sure you are and our viewers will be as well. You know, when we think about the southern border ninety-nine percent of the publicity has to do with, well, they're Latin American migrants, there's human trafficking, there might be some MS-13 gangsters, there are families wanting a better way of life. Nobody talks about jihadi’s coming in through the southern border when, in reality, with thousands and thousands coming, it's not that hard to put in a half a dozen here or there. Would you agree?
Clare Lopez: I would agree, but I would also suggest that they're already here. They already live among us. There are many, many groups that are offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood, front groups that have been established in this country since the very first one, which was the Muslim Student Association back in 1964. I mean, literally hundreds. They're already here, and they're already inside of each of what I call the pillars of support of society meaning not just government and national security, but academia, our courts, faith communities, local law enforcement, the workplace, society, etc.
Barry Nussbaum: And don't forget the United States Congress.
Clare Lopez: And the United States Congress.
Barry Nussbaum: So what's the idea? What's the rationale? Who in their right mind would put these people in the position of authority to train our border security personnel?
Clare Lopez: Well, I don't know who in particular made that decision.
Barry Nussbaum: What's the thought behind it?
Clare Lopez: Well, perhaps there isn't any. I don't know, but what happened is this, and we know this, by the way, what I'm going to tell you is directly from the CAIR Chicago Website. That's where I saw it around the middle of October, 2019. So that's just a few weeks ago, a piece appeared at the CAIR National Online website with some very nice photographs, and it featured one CAIR representative whose name is Sufyan Sohel, and he's the Deputy Director for CAIR Chicago and he's in these very nice photographs at the website facilitating a discussion and training session in the Chicago area for U.S. Customs and Border Protection Officers who work at O'Hare Airport and this training program took place under the auspices of the Customs and Border Protection, which is a unit of the Department of Homeland Security, a Cabinet department in the Trump administration.
Barry Nussbaum: So let's be clear what you just said. Customs and Border Protection is responsible for keeping out bad guys, including terror groups who want to come here and kill us. One of the groups that have been assigned by the federal government to train those personnel is a terror-linked organization. There's no doubt about it, and they are training our people to keep out the bad guys that the trainers are affiliated with. Did I say that correctly?
Clare Lopez: Yes, unfortunately. Yes, you did.
Barry Nussbaum: Oh, boy.
Clare Lopez: Yes, you did. Now, let me mention that in the wake of the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas terror funding trial that we talked about in the last segment that concluded in 2008, in the wake of that, the FBI actually did make a decision at the top levels to cut all contacts with CAIR. CAIR had been training the FBI before that. They took that decision to cut those ties. Now, I don't know that any other department or agency of the U.S. government made such a public decision as the FBI did to the best of my knowledge. DHS, for example, did not make that decision but one would think that if the FBI thought it prudent, advisable to cut ties with CAIR because of the outcome of the Hamas terror funding trial Holy Land Foundation that others would have followed suit.
Barry Nussbaum: You would think so. There's talk that these terror groups that are outside the country have made affiliations with Mexican drug cartels in order to penetrate into the country. The cartels want to bring in the drugs and the human trafficking and terrorists want to come here to wreak havoc. Is there any truth to that?
Clare Lopez: Yes, that's absolutely so, and this is from a completely open-source reporting over the last numbers of years, and there are certain Mexican drug trafficking cartels like Los Zetas, the Sinaloa, the Gulf Cartel, their subsidiaries which make a business out of trafficking not just people from Central America and their families and so forth you know, looking for a new economic life in America but now, also they make money by specializing even in the trafficking or the movement of certain Islamic terror groups like let's say one element might bring over just al-Qaida, another one brings just al-Shabab, another one works with Hezbollah. Now, Hezbollah, as we know it, is closely associated with many of the narco-trafficking cartels and the activities along the southern border but that's that is what goes on, yes.
Barry Nussbaum: Startling and terrifying at the same time, because we've all seen the videos of the thousands of people massing in front of the border, especially in places where the wall is not yet constructed, or it's virtually permeable by a seven-year-old child; obviously a twenty-five-year-old combat-hardened terrorists could get in quite easily.
Clare Lopez: Yes, that is a very concerning possibility, and for all we know, I mean, we don't know who's coming in and how and how many. But here's the other thing. As I said before, they're already here and what is more dangerous to American national security long term? A Jihadi or even more than one Jihadi who gets across the border with intent to wreak mayhem, as you said, or settled communities in the United States that are part of a community of a Muslim Brotherhood Jihadist mosque or Islamic Center that flies under the radar in a way and really prefers there not be terrorist activity that would give it all away and end the complacency that they're operating under at this point in time. We're talking about sedition and subversion, not terrorism only, and that sometimes works a whole lot better at this stage of the game anyway than outright violence.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, your comment suggests an interesting question. Which is, we talked about this in the last episode; that CAIR affiliated with known terrorists is training our people to protect us from them at the highest levels in the United States government being approved is this a deep state thing? Is this somebody who's got a secret agenda thing or are we just that stupid? Do you have a theory?
Clare Lopez: Well, you know, I talked before about what we call the great courage and how generations now since 9/11 of diplomatic intelligence, military officials have come to rank, risen through the ranks in each agency. Deliberately deprived of the information, they need to know about these seditious, subversive activities by the Muslim Brotherhood and Muslim Brotherhood, front groups like CAIR. They don't know.
Barry Nussbaum: Who's behind it?
Clare Lopez: The Muslim Brotherhood is behind it.
Barry Nussbaum: No, no, I mean, no. Who's behind it on the good guy's side, who has caused this purge and has caused this blackout of who the bad guys are, and how do we protect ourselves?
Clare Lopez: The senior leadership of every single cabinet department that I mentioned before that's relevant Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Justice, Department of State, the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon. The leadership of each and every one of those is part of this, part of the purge, part of the deliberate erasure of certain words from the vocabulary, certainly from the training curricula, the leadership of all of them. They all took an oath, Right? They all took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Well, in order to do that, you have an affirmative obligation to know the enemy, and if you don't, you've abrogated your oath of office — all of them.
Barry Nussbaum: Clare, really, really bad news. We're going to leave it there for this episode, but we're not done with the subject, I assure you. Thanks for joining us on American Truth Project here for ATP Report, a special thanks to Clare Lopez from the Center of Security Policy for joining us and explaining, well, the bad news, as it were. I want to remind our viewers to text the word truth to 88202 so you can be signed up to get this and all of our stuff on your phone for free. We never charge, and you'll get it every day or so right on your cell phone. For ATP Report, I'm Barry Nussbaum.