Barry Nussbaum: Hello. Welcome to ATP Report. I’m Barry Nussbaum. Back again, today is my friend and brilliant scholar, Clare Lopez. Clare, who has gotten world attention with her overseas efforts for the United States with the CIA.

She’s back home now in America, writing, blogging, and appearing everywhere. Welcome back my expert on all things political Clare Lopez.

Clare Lopez: Thank you, Barry, happy to be here with you.

Barry Nussbaum: Let’s talk about what we were chatting on the break about, which is what I consider one of your really unique perspectives. This is that the wildly anarchist behavior of the last year or so in America, that the uninformed would think that one has nothing to do with all of the other anarchist behavior in America over the last year.

You’ve got a theory that I want to hear about, and our viewers do too, which is that it is coordinated. So Antifa, Black Lives Matter, these various groups that are out marching, burning, looting, and creating chop zones, your thought is that they are subtly behind the scenes coordinating? Please, explain.

Clare Lopez: Yes, absolutely they are. This goes with a tip of the hat to fabulous citizen journalists like James O’Keefe at Veritas, who has brought some of this to light. Some online bloggers, Ian Miles Cheong, for one, and Andy Ngo for another.

They have pointed me in the direction of the actual website, sometimes, of these groups where they are quite open about a lot of things you might not expect. You can find a lot by being an online geek. So, for example, they have a name for how they come together. This is their term.

They call it affinity groups. Affinity groups if you go to the ‘CrimethInc’ website, for example, which is one of these affiliate anarchist groups. They call affinity groups “The essential building block of an anarchist organization.” What this means is that this is a coalition of anarchists.

The revolutionaries that are within that coalition are Antifa with all of its affiliated groups. The Black Lives Matter movement, with all of its affiliated groups, and the Sunrise movement, which goes as far as the Democrat Party and currently serving federal officials of the United States government.

What we see from the films that these journalists have put up on the websites is that these people have trained together, including online webinar training.

Barry Nussbaum: Let me stop you right there.

Clare Lopez: Yeah.

Barry Nussbaum: I’ve never heard this before. So, you’re saying that these groups that seemingly have the only thing in common is we hate America, and here’s our agenda. And we hate America, and here’s our agenda. Are you saying that they’re actually coordinating openly and training each other together?

Clare Lopez: Oh, yeah. Now, I’m not going to say that all their Web training programs, or conference calls are open to the public. But clever people like James O’Keefe have gotten inside some of those, which is where we get the reporting from.

They put it out and make it public. But yes, they do train together. They call themselves affinity groups or a momentum community. That’s another term which you can find online.

It is a training hub for the Black Lives Matter movement, Dream Defenders, United We Dream, Showing Up for Racial Justice, National People’s Action, all these groups, and many, many more.

Barry Nussbaum: Where will they fit in? Let’s say Biden becomes president, and we don’t know that yet. Contrary to what the news is announcing. We’ll know in a month. Will these groups have a place in the Biden world?

Clare Lopez: Not exactly, no. They have helped put Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and their team where they are today on the verge of taking the White House and the U.S. government. But again, the Biden team are only useful fools.

If we remember warnings from the 1972 KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov who put out a number of videos. You can find them on YouTube in English. These are the people in a genuine communist revolution like Castro’s revolution back in Cuba.

These are the people that these groups think about. Maybe even plan about lining up against a wall and shooting as soon as their usefulness is done. Remember, the objective is not a Biden/Kamala Harris presidency is a communist revolution in America that overturns the Constitution and puts in its stead Marxism.

Barry Nussbaum: So, what happens? I always tend to think these things out maybe too far into the future, but if indeed there is a successful integration of these radicals into government, or at least in an advisory capacity, at some point, they start eating each other because they have different end goals in mind.

For example, the radical Islamists that are on the fringes of these groups that speak all the time and have as their talking heads, ‘the Squad’ as an example, they want a caliphate, and they want Sharia. Black Lives Matter just wants America destroyed.

Antifa, as best as I can figure out, wants to destroy everything, and rebuild from the ground up. As the anarchists, at some point, they turn on each other, don’t they?

Clare Lopez: Yes, of course, the French Revolution is our example for that, indeed. I mean a Biden team, if they take power, could be in power for some number of years, and they’ll attempt to pacify and to mollify the ravening anarchists at the door.

But they won’t be satisfied no matter what Biden and Harris do. It won’t be enough. I mean, it won’t go far enough. It won’t become Castro’s Cuba overnight or Hugo Chavez, or Nicolas Maduro’s Venezuela overnight. Lenin and Stalin’s Russia. It won’t.

They’ll head in that direction generally, but the pace won’t be fast enough. So, they will turn on them. I mean, we can already see, as we mentioned in the last segment. They are not satisfied. They haven’t got a place at the table yet.

Their agenda isn’t being implemented into the forthcoming and planned Biden Harris agenda yet. Yes, of course, they’ll turn on one another, maybe we are not talking about guillotines, but that’s where the French Revolution wound up.

Barry Nussbaum: Yeah, and whether it’s a literal assassination, a firing squad, or just a figurative one politically for some of these people, being forced into the backwoods and out of power to them is the equivalent of political death.

My guess is there will be mass purges. Whether that means mass purges with graves or mass purges, where you just go home, and you are never heard from again. For some people, it would be the same thing.

Clare Lopez: We can listen, for example, to some of the recent statements coming from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the House of Representatives, who very openly says that the Nancy Pelosi-Chuck Schumer leadership has got to go and the more leftist communist Marxist-now she’s not saying this, but that’s what she means- wing of the party needs to supplant them.

She’s already saying this out loud. The old folks have to go. The new ones have to come in.

Barry Nussbaum: What’s really scary to me, maybe scarier than anything we’ve said so far, is every member of the Squad, no matter how dirty they are, no matter how many laws they break, no matter how many goofball schemes they propose, no matter how many people and groups they hate they all won reelection dramatically and none of those elections Clare was close.

Clare Lopez: No. One last note. Did I ever mention to you and the audience where that term, ‘the Squad’ comes from? I’m holding up the Little Red Book. This is the abbreviated selections from Chairman Mao.

There’s a whole section in here about what a squad is. A squad is a unit, a revolutionary unit that operates to implement and enforce the revolution. That’s what a squad is.

Barry Nussbaum: Oh, my goodness, and they promote themselves as that every day, Clare.

Clare Lopez: Right there, but who has read the Little Red Book? I have.

Barry Nussbaum: Clare Lopez has.

Clare Lopez: How many other people have? It’s not a long section either. It’s a short one, but it’s in there.

Barry Nussbaum: Thank you for sharing that. Tell our people where they can find out about you please.

Clare Lopez: Well, I hope to have a website at some point, but for now, I publish all my videos and my writing at the American Truth Project, the United West, Sharia Crime Stoppers.

At my blog site, I write at Newsmax, and I am a member of, and I Post at the Citizen’s Commission on National Security. I should mention Brannon Howse’s World View Weekend, a huge audience at World View Weekend. Of course, online on social media at Clare M Lopez on Twitter and Parley, and my name also on Facebook.

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