Ambassador Ayalon: Biden Picks Put Israel in Danger
Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome to ATP Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. Our very special honored guest today is Danny Ayalon, direct from Israel. He is the former Israeli Ambassador to the United States, formerly at the United Nations, formerly with the delegation in Panama.
He's the former Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel, a former member of Knesset, and the founder of The Truth about Israel. Welcome, my friend, Danny.
Danny Ayalon: Thank you, Barry. It's always a real joy and a real privilege to be with you and with ATP Report. Great job.
Barry Nussbaum: Thank you so much. Let's talk about the tremendous, almost unbelievable changes that are coming out of Washington, vis a vis of Israel and Iran. Let's start with Robert Malley.
He's President Biden's new Middle East envoy, and in my opinion, he couldn't be a worse choice because there are going to be drastic changes in U.S. Policy regarding Iran and Israel. I guess you would say he is realigning things towards Iran and away from America's allies in the Middle East, specifically the Gulf states and Israel.
From what we're hearing, he wants to downgrade the importance of the Abraham Accords, and he literally doesn't want the Houthi rebels called terrorists anymore, even while they're launching missiles into Saudi Arabia. He doesn't think he wants the Taylor Force Act anymore and on and on and on. I know you know him. What can you tell us about Robert Malley?
Danny Ayalon: Well, I know that he is a son, his parents, I think his mother is a Jewish woman from Egypt. He's been an old hand with the Middle East, Middle Eastern politics and started some think tanks.
I knew him first when he served during the Clinton administration. In the second Clinton administration, I met him a few times when he was in charge of the Middle East portfolio of the National Security Council of the United States. This is how I know him. I can tell you we didn't see much eye to eye.
And I am still, though now, I am quite concerned about his views. I'm not really sure I understand how someone who knows the Middle East so well can misread in such a blunt, and I would say almost dangerous way of misreading the entire geopolitical concerns and the real interests of the United States, which are the interests of Israel and for that matter, the entire free world.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, he's onboard, and I don't think he's going anywhere. Speaking of realignments, a few days ago, the United States announced that it's going to lift the sanctions it imposed on the International Criminal Court in The Hague. The Biden administration basically canceled what Trump did, which was saying that the ICC ought to be financially isolated for their bizarre focus, if not obsession, on Israel's, quote, "war crimes," unquote.
The ICC also wants to investigate American soldiers in Afghanistan. They're chasing around Israel. Look, the ICC has no control over Israel and the United States because neither country is a member of the organization. And yet, at the insistence of the Palestinian Authority, the ICC is coming after Israel yet again. Will Israel be effective in blocking it?
Danny Ayalon: I hope so. You were quite right. Both the United States and Israel have not reaffirmed the induction to the ICC, which is becoming more and more like a kangaroo court. Quite frankly, The ICC came out of a very lofty idea to pursue and prosecute real criminals who are charged with war crimes or crimes against humanity.
The type of I would say the typecast would-be Nazis, would be ISIS, would be al-Qaida, would be Hezbollah, would be the ayatollahs of Iran, anyone who really seeks destruction and death. But instead of that, they are pursuing those who are really standing for real human rights, for democracy, for liberty, for justice.
So really, we see here an upside-down world. Now, of course, Israel will not allow the ICC to frame and incriminate us, nor to intervene in our policies and our strategic decisions. The ICC, which is supposedly a tribunal of justice, has become a political instrument that is being manipulated by terrorists, whether it's Hamas or anyone else.
So, again, we see here that the idea behind creating the ICC was good, but the implementation is just one hundred and eighty degrees from the vision of its founders. And there's one more issue here, specifically with the Palestinians, since they are not a state, they have no standing whatsoever in the ICC. So, what the ICC is doing by considering its own decision, which they have no mandate for deciding to take the case, means they look at the Palestinians as a state.
They are taking sides, political sides in a very, very coarse way, which on the one hand will stiffen Israel's position vis a vis the ICC. And also, I think it will undermine its legitimacy.
Barry Nussbaum: Well, there's another reversal that's going on right now in regard to the policy that's going to affect Israel, and that is the Biden administration is aggressively and very rapidly restoring huge financial support to the Palestinian Authority.
Trump made a very profound statement after his meeting with Mahmoud Abbas at the White House where he said cut off the terror support, cut off the 'pay for slay' programs, where you pay basically terrorists to kill Israeli Jews, or I'm going to cut off the money. Abbas didn't.
So, Trump did it. And profoundly changing that policy is a disaster for Israel. Biden just started giving them money. And what did he get in return? Absolutely nothing. And not only is he giving money to the PA, but he's restoring funding to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency UNRRA, which is running schools that promote terrorism, hatred of Jews, anti-Semitism, and so on.
As I said, Danny, Biden's new policy, giving them money in exchange for nothing, is going to do nothing other than support terrorism. What are your thoughts?
Danny Ayalon: Well, first off, Barry, I don't know how the U.S. Administration can go around an American built law which was signed into law, overwhelmingly voted in by both houses and also with the bipartisan support, Democrats and Republicans alike.
Barry Nussbaum: You mean the Taylor Force Act?
Danny Ayalon: Yes, this is the Taylor Force. I don't know how you can go around and reverse that. With UNRRA, this is also very unfortunate because UNRRA is the most absolute anachronistic and dangerous organization. It, you know, throughout its 70 years or more of existence, it has not done good to one refugee.
You know, the Palestinians for some reason, well, we know the reason there's a political reason. They have their own private refugee agency, UNRRA, where the UNHCR, which is the United Nations Refugee Agency, takes care of all refugees in the world, tens of millions.
Here you are, one dedicated and especially dedicated organization to only the refugees, which again, the numbers are inflated. Let's say their numbers are right. Five, six million refugees are treated by one agency. Now, on top of that, not only that, but they were also not efficient, they're now really fulfilling the job.
Also, they are inciting because they are in charge for some reason of the curriculum of Palestinian schools in Gaza and other refugee camps in Judea and Samaria, aka the West Bank. In this curriculum, there is incitement against the very existence of the state of Israel. Quite a few employees, and some of them we have charged with abetting and aiding terrorism, and it's really a hindrance to peace.
So, the whole treatment towards the Palestinians by the U.N. and international organizations should have been, again, going under a very, very thorough reform in order to really become efficient and also to become an honest organization.
Not taking sides and dedicated to the mission of alleviating the misery of the Palestinian refugees who are suffering because of the wrong decisions and intransigence and the belligerence of Palestinian leaders for generations now.
Barry Nussbaum: Well said, nice history lesson, and it's all true. Thanks for coming on today, Danny. I encourage all of our viewers around the world to check out The Truth About Israel. You'll find out more of what Danny Ayalon thinks from his lofty position of being one of the most experienced diplomats in Israeli's recent history.
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