Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome to ATP Report. It’s the Katie and Barry show. This means joining me today from sunny southern Mexico is the fabulous Katie Hopkins. Good morning, Katie.

Katie Hopkins: Good morning. It’s very nice to be back with you and all of our family at ATP.

Barry Nussbaum: Let’s talk about my long-time home state of California. As everybody knows that is following the news, embattled Governor Gavin Newsom is facing an avalanche of support for a recall to pull him out of office. Based on the rather convoluted California law, I believe they need to get to about 1,496,000 confirmed signatures.

This week is the deadline set by the Secretary of State. There are over 2.1 to 2.2 million and 100,000 signatures literally pouring in every day. A friend of mine is in charge of the recall, Tom Del Beccaro, and he says that the approval rating right now of the signatures submitted is eighty-two percent.

So, they should already have qualified for the ballot. But you have some news that if implemented, Gavin Newsom could bypass, delay or actually stay in office. What could he do?

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, it’s one of those things, isn’t it? You start to, you know, first up so much applause, and it takes my breath away that so many of these signatures have been gathered. I know you will have seen and I’ve seen on the road endless people with clipboards asking, have you signed? Have you signed?

You couldn’t go to a MAGA rally back last year without someone asking, have you signed? I just feel so emotionally, kind of, overwhelmed by the effort of all those people to make this happen. I just think it’s amazing. Newsom has come out, I think, today or yesterday, saying he is actually very worried about this recall.

I think it’s the first time he’s acknowledged that it might dent his glorious silver hide that he thinks he has. But I’ve just been looking at some of the ways that he- they obviously now started to work on how can we not let this happen? If I can just read you this.

Once all those signatures are in, once they’ve been validated, maybe eighty-two percent going through, as you rightly say, then Newsom has an additional 30 days for something called a clawback provision in the recall law. What it means is he has 30 days to try and get in touch with as many of those signatories as he can and persuade them to change their minds.

Now, bear in mind, this isn’t going to be Gavin Newsom sitting alone with one headset, you know, hand dialing these people. They’re going to work on what can we tell people that will get them to change their minds? That’s the first thing they’re going to do.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, I’ve got news for you. Famous American socialist-communist Senator Bernie Sanders is putting out press saying anyone in favor of the recall is doing it because they don’t want the little people in California to be taken care of, and they’re probably racists and white supremacists and MAGA supporters.

So, in other words, all the buzz words that fire up the progressive left. Of course, he’s ignoring the fact that California, the former Golden State, that’s still the motto is, well, borderline in the trash can. There are thousands on the streets. There are people by the tens of thousands pouring across the border.

The state is absolutely flat broke, and the Governor is tone-deaf and having thousand dollar dinners at private restaurants, seemingly disregarding his own pronouncements. They apply to the little people, but not the elected people. So, there’s a big disengagement between him and his followers as it is in the state.

Katie Hopkins: And then the other thing Barry is, let’s just say because, after this kind of clawback clause, they can then push it back. There are some people speculating they could use administrative delays to push it back well into 2022. I guess you’ve got this convergence, haven’t you?

People who’ve just watched an election that, to all accounts, appears stolen, and then they have the faith to sign a petition again, trying to believe in democracy. Because actually, in our hearts, we want to believe in democracy. What happens if this petition, having gone over the line, then fails? Like you say? How do people have faith anymore??

Barry Nussbaum: I get it. Everybody I’m talking to throughout the state of California is angry. Whether they’ve signed the petition or not, Katie, the state of the state of California is dismal and getting worse. We’ll see what happens in the next few days when the Secretary of State announces the review of the ballots, sorry, the petition signatures that have been turned in.

Let’s talk about vaccines for a minute. I am stunned. That there’s going to be vaccination trials on babies for COVID, even though the risk to small children is virtually zero, literally virtually zero. And like you pointed out, there’s a mother in Arizona that’s going to line up her babies, one and three for the vaccination trial to prove that it’s not going to kill her kid. What the heck is she thinking?

Katie Hopkins: I just horrible, isn’t it? You know, my first reaction when I saw the headline ‘Vaccine to be Trialed on Babies and Children in the U.S.,’ I honestly thought it was a hoax. I thought, oh, it’s one of those, sort of, hooks to lead you onto some fake news or to draw you into a site just to find out that that’s actually not what’s happening.

I triple-checked it with a number of sources and it’s actually genuine. In Arizona, and I think a couple of other states, they’re going to begin trials of the vaccine on babies as young as six months old. What’s more worrying or frightening or, I don’t know, horrifying about this is this woman, a mother who says she’s excited about the opportunity.

She can’t wait to line her one-year-old and three-year-old up to be, you know, it’s experimentation. She’s lining them up to be experimented on. I think, you know, and I posted this to social media, and people have commented this, people saying, “I know a woman just like her. I know a mother just like her.”

We’ve seen it with Black Lives Matter. I knew women in London that had their white children on the doorstep saying, I apologize for my whiteness. You know, it’s these sorts of mothers that want validation from the kind of WOKE masses. She thinks she’s accruing points by sacrificing her children. I mean, it’s kind of cult-like, isn’t it? It’s satanic in nature.

Barry Nussbaum: I wouldn’t let my children, my grandchildren or my dogs get experimented on, God forbid. The fact that mothers are bragging about this and the risk to children, Katie, is virtually zero. Nobody’s dying under the age of ten from COVID. Why would you inject a vaccine in a trial in your own child? My goodness, isn’t the first job of a parent to protect the health and safety of their own kids?

Katie Hopkins: It just makes you wonder what has gone on in these women’s heads. I don’t want to be like one of those people that says I pity you. I find that to be a very vulgar expression. But I do wonder, you know, did a switch click in their heads? Did they lose something?

Like what happened to them? Did they choose this path of their own free will, or are they just so brainwashed they can’t see it? Or do they think it’s going to put them to the front of the line with the kind of WOKE brigade? Is it that makes them more special than someone else in the sort of Orwellian sense?

Barry Nussbaum: Well, sometimes society pushes back when the line gets crossed. I’m thinking right now about Alaska. There’s a Senator there, Lisa Murkowski, who has been quite the nemesis of mainstream conservative Republicans and most prominently placed herself on the enemy list of President Trump both in the recent and in the previous impeachments.

Now the state GOP says they will primary her. They have come out with numerous condemnations and censorings of her, and they’re going to look for a challenger in the primary. It’s really interesting that that is what the National Party going to do.

There’s a, I guess you’d call it, a tradition that the National Republican Senatorial Committee always backs the incumbent. But what’s going to happen when Trump shows up in Alaska, as he’s promised to do, to fundraise and campaign for whoever the local GOP can put up against her?

Katie Hopkins: This is a curious thing, Barry, isn’t it? You know something I want to ask you is just how does this you know, you’re the insider, and I’m always conscious of the fact that I’m an outsider, respectful foreigner, but how does this work?

When you have the GOP saying that they’ll find someone to run in the primary? That they will find someone good, and they will unify and unite behind the primary challenger? You have the RNC who says they won’t have any part of that whatsoever.

Then you have the Senatorial Committee saying that historically and going forward, they will always stick with the incumbent. So, there are three different positions right there before you apply the Trump effect. So, where does this leave grassroots Alaskans? Where do they go with this? What do they do?

Barry Nussbaum: I honestly don’t know. I can’t remember other cases specifically like this. Although in a few elections recently, Katie, like in Alabama, the guy that should have been out front, lost. Jeff Sessions lost because Trump came out for Tommy Tuberville and Tuberville won.

Now the senator from Alabama and the previous senator from Alabama, which is Sessions that became his Attorney General, then went back to run again and lost. Why? Because Trump supported the other guy. It tells you, I think in a grassroots sense, that Trump bypasses all of the structure of traditional Republican politics and goes right to the people.

I won’t bet against Trump if he goes to Alaska whoever they pick is going to be the guy or gal to stand against Murkowski in the primaries. It’s a Republican state. Whoever wins that primary will be the next senator from Alaska.

Katie Hopkins: A question to you on that. Will Trump align with, I mean, I’m asking you to think forward to the future things you can’t possibly know. But presumably, Trump would align with whomever the GOP backs. Would he in this case?

Barry Nussbaum: I really don’t know. I know that in other cases around the country, Trump is going right to the candidates. For example, his former Press Secretary, Sarah Sanders, is running for Governor in Alabama, and he’s shown up already to campaign for her. I would hate to be another candidate, Republican or Democrat, who didn’t have President Trump’s support.

Katie Hopkins: That’s absolutely right. There was something else I wanted to ask you about on another topic, Barry. I had some experience being on Tucker Carlson’s show. I used to be on, kind of, on a weekly basis with Tucker doing his best kind of confused face at me whilst I was – this is when all of the terrorist attacks were happening.

I was kind of a useful person for them then. I see from over the pond, even though I’m now beneath you in Mexico, but usually, I see that Tucker has become more and more, it seems, of a focus of internal structure in the U.S. Like, I remember him dancing on celebrity dancing, and then of course as the anchor of his show.

It seems like Tucker has evolved into something much more than that. He’s become a focus of interest of the military and, I don’t know, the FBI. What is going on with Tucker because I don’t get it?

Barry Nussbaum: As best as I can tell, he’s a victim of his own success. What I mean by that is he has monster ratings and is frequently the most popular conservative on the news. So, the WOKE left wherever it’s coming from always wants to pick out the leader of the other side and in the media.

While it was formerly always Sean Hannity, now it’s Sean and/or Tucker, and when Tucker goes after someone, they come back after him. So, if I was Tucker Carlson, I would look at this as an affirmation or a confirmation of my success.

If he was somebody, you know, down in the ratings, say, at CNN or MSNBC, he’d be a nobody, and nobody would care. In this case, even at Fox News, which is going farther and farther left when they report the news. There are a few people, Tucker, Sean, Laura Ingraham, and Judge Jeanine on Sundays that are still conservatives and are still being attacked.

The number one guy frequently is Tucker, and so he is the one with the arrows flying left and right all around him every week, and it’s coming from practically everywhere.

Katie Hopkins: I mean, as much as it must be great to have that show and great to have the adulation on one side, it’s got to be tough. I mean, it’s got to be tough. Both on him, on his family, and on all sorts of people around him, I’m sure.

Barry Nussbaum: As he has pointed out frequently, his family gets harassed on a constant basis. His house is under surveillance. He can’t go out in public. There’s a lot of people that have lost the intelligent manner of communication, and it’s a war against the other side.

They treat people that don’t have the same political views as the enemy, and unfortunately for Tucker, it really tends to ruin your private life. It crosses the line for me when it includes his wife and his children. Thanks for coming on today, Katie.

I sure appreciate it and love talking to you. For all of our viewers out there, please text the word TRUTH to 88202. You’ll be signed up for all our Katie and Barry stuff and everybody else from ATP. It’s always free. For Katie, and I’m Barry Nussbaum. Thanks for coming on with us today.