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Katie Hopkins Touring U.S. to Assure Trump’s Victory


Barry Nussbaum: Welcome to ATP Radio. I'm Barry Nussbaum. I'm very happy and honored to introduce our very special guest all the way from Great Britain, currently visiting us in the colonies somewhere in the United States. We have Katie Hopkins, who many of you know as a very famous journalist and rabble-rouser from Britain. Well known on both sides of the pond as someone who is listened to by both the leader of Great Britain, Boris Johnson, and our esteemed President, Donald Trump. Welcome to Katie Hopkins.

Katie Hopkins: Thank you very much, indeed. We were just discussing how you would introduce me, and I am conscious that these days, I think we all get a bit sick of I'm sure your listeners do, too, when people say, oh, commentator and best-selling author. I always wonder, was there ever an author who wasn't a best seller? This is all you ever hear, isn't it?

Barry Nussbaum: Well, you know, clearly, you don't want to say an author and God, I wish someone would buy my book. At that point, people are going; I'm not listening to this anymore.

Katie Hopkins: Wouldn't it be great, though? Wouldn't it be great if people were introduced as, you know, really messy? This is Greg so-and-so, and he is the author of the book, blah, blah, blah, and it didn't do as well as his publishers had hoped.

Barry Nussbaum: He didn't even cover his advance. So now he's doing radio.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, he asked Levin to write the foreword, but Levin said, "No."

Barry Nussbaum: Because it kind of sucked.

Katie Hopkins: It would be so great.

Barry Nussbaum: You are a best seller, and you are a big name, and I just have to add one more moniker. You know that people probably know you by, and I don't know if it is self-named, or somebody stuck this tag on you but 'Biggest Bitch in Britain.' How many people can say that about themselves?

Katie Hopkins: That was a double, and I can still see it actually. If I think back and shut my eyes, I can still see that. So it was, there's a newspaper some of your listeners might know, actually, called the Daily Mail. I guess you could get the dailymail.com.

Barry Nussbaum: Oh, of course. Absolutely.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, yeah.

Barry Nussbaum: Yeah, it's huge.

Katie Hopkins: So, way back, I used to be a columnist. But before that way back, way back when I'd done the British Apprentice. I became known as this. I didn't even know I was doing it. I was just really, really honest about what I thought about the other candidates to the camera. Then, of course, once that show comes out, and then you see yourself being very, very blunt about these people. That's how I got that title. I remember seeing the double-page spreads with me and that title running across the two pages, the center pages, of the Daily Mail. That was the newspaper that my parents also read and got. So, it was like a moment in my life, like ten or so years ago, whenever that happened.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, it's clearly unique, and it has stuck, and you know what, sometimes they say good press, bad press, just spell my name right. So, God bless you. It's very, well, enticing, and it certainly is not like everybody else's nickname, that's for darn sure.

Katie Hopkins: I think there are also some people who genuinely, in the U.K., in particular, hate everything about me. They were brought up on a diet of being told by the mainstream that was the only thing they were allowed to do, was hate me because of my views. So, for many people, it's kind of the truth, and then for other people, it's kind of surprising because when they meet me and A) I'm not that big. So, everyone's always like, oh, you're really little. Then the other thing is, I'm not mean. I'm just normal. I'm quite a regular mom, a married mom of three kids that just has an opinion on a lot of stuff. So no, I'm not quite what the moniker suggests.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, certainly, and with that background, let's kick it off and ask you what you are doing in the United States. I know you're zooming everywhere. Why don't you tell our listeners what's going on?

Katiie Hopkins: Yeah, well, one thing I'm definitely not doing, Barry is Zooming everywhere. In the sense that I know we're doing that now, but my genuine kind of plea to everyone is if you get the opportunity, get off Zoom. You know Zoom, this sort of online conferencing chat facility, which I appreciate, is helpful in some regard but if you have the opportunity to say, let's meet face to face, please do. I consider Zoom to be the death of humanity and in no way replaces a face to face meeting. Anyway, that was just my little ramble and my rant; get that off my chest. I broke back into America. Brits are currently banned from your country because of a Wuhan flu record. So, I broke back in because I was not prepared to sit at home and watch the fight for your brilliant President. I wanted to be a part of it. Whatever that involves or whatever it involves now. It doesn't matter to me if its litter picking or cleaning or whatever. Whatever it takes. I want to be part of it, so that's why I broke back in. Since I left my home over three months ago, I've traveled every day or every other day to a new place or state. I actually thought it was going to be Barry, about just campaigning for Trump, but actually, it's become something much more special in a way because when I wake up, there's an excuse for people to gather. The crowds have been massive. Tickets, some are free, so I'm not talking about the financial thing. Tickets have just sold out immediately because there is a thirst, on a basic human level, a thirst for gathering together and feeling better. That's actually what this trip has become about, making people feel a bit better about themselves. To remind people what it feels like to be in a room with people who actually are on your side and just want the very best for each other. It's actually become like a really joyful thing, much more like a church thing than a political thing.

Barry Nussbaum: Where have you been, and who's been sponsoring you now?

Katie Hopkins: So, well, I came on my own dime. I spent 15 days in isolation in Barbados and, I say my own dime, my husband, my children, and my dime. I'm grateful to have the support of David Horowitz and the Freedom Center at some basic level. Other people are good enough to give me maybe a contribution if I speak somewhere. But mostly, I support myself. I don't know. I really believe there are two things. One thing is the time for asking permission is over. I knew I had to come. I'm here, and I'm still solvent; it's fine. The other thing is there is much bigger stuff at play. Like I genuinely believe there are much bigger forces at play. So as long as I can, and I do not owe anybody any money, as long as I can still stay and find food and do that, then I'm all good. I'm really only interested in your President getting four more years and sharing the news that British people are right there fighting alongside you. You can't hear us. You can't see us. The mainstream media won't articulate the views of regular Brits, but we're right here with you. I mean, this feels epic. It feels like all the people I meet, the one thing we all say often is that this is the time to be alive. As I've traveled through California, through Minnesota, Dallas, now I'm in D.C. Tomorrow, I fly to Palm Beach to help Laura Loomer. It's an epic journey. An epic moment for an epic President, and I just love it.

Barry Nussbaum: Are you finding a sense of enthusiasm for President Trump that is a higher percentage than with Biden? I mean, I saw a press conference this morning where they've got Bernie Sanders, our most famous socialist, communist Senator of all time, doing a tour for Biden. The caption was a 'Crowd of Tens Turns Out for a Rally for Biden.' I watched the speech, and he read a speech looking down the whole time. Somebody panned outwards, and there was this huge field, and there were like twenty-five people there. That's it, twenty-five.

Katie Hopkins: I mean, it's just absolutely, our side is awe-inspiring. So, I mean, it is just simply awesome how many people are involved. I got to California. This was a month and a half ago. This isn't 30 days out. This is a long time ago. In someone's back yard, two hundred and fifty people, the Redlands Tea Party. Two hundred and twenty people, standing room only Murrieta Church, a pastor that's kept his doors open. Pastor Tim Thompson, bless his soul, running four, I went to each one of them and talked, four church services on a Sunday morning. Seven am, nine, 11, and 12 because that's the size of the congregation. So desperate are they to get to church. He is running four services. I mean, we just put up tickets for the LUX in L.A., and in L.A., those tickets sold out before we had a chance to promote them. Now the waitlist is full, and that's just me. Like I'm a no one. But the point is our side, the enthusiasm. People will have seen the rallies, the car rallies, the trucks, you know, our side is electric, and I think that's a little bit it's fun, too. It's almost like plugging in something like when you plug in your phone. As I see it, my job is to go around and get the end of the charger and plug it into other people because once you're charged and plugged into our network, you see how electric it is. When the Democrats keep you from being plugged in, when they keep you in your home with your mask on, and you don't go out. It's hard to plug yourself in, and I know that's how we're going to win this is by keeping this energy charge kind of coursing through us. So, yeah, I tell you, Barry, so it's really, really exciting. I have to say, with all the news coming out from the corona pollution of our top team. I think it's going to work in Trump's favor absolutely.

Barry Nussbaum: You may be right, and I want to get to that, and I'm going to delay that question for a little while.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, sure.

Barry Nussbaum: Because I'm reading updates constantly about his condition, so I want this as up to date as possible. So, let's go somewhere else. You did a video recently at a gun range in California, and you commented that you couldn't buy a gun no matter how much money you had because they had sold out.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: And ammo is in very short supply.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah.

Barry Nussbaum: You can't do that in Great Britain, obviously. What's your message to the American people about the Second Amendment?

Katie Hopkins: I suppose two sides. One is yes, Americans are preparing. It gives me enormous confidence and a sense of shared courage that at a time when it's possible that after the election, all hell will break out. Which, I believe that it will in certain places that I've been. The people are preparing for that. I find it enormously reassuring that every time things look a bit darker or the Left becomes more radical, people go out and buy more weapons. So, I just spoke to a Glock manufacturer, the number one Glock manufacturer in America, the other day, and he said he could make 20 times the sales if he could get a hold of the stuff to sell. So, I love the fact that people are preparing. I love the fact that this country now has a stockpile of weapons and ammunition. I think just for me because we don't have this ability in the U.K. We don't have a way of defending ourselves. What you see is the speed at which they take other freedoms from you because we do not have the freedom to speak in the U.K. Well, we don't have a constitution and the First Amendment, but we can't speak. Speech now is policed very heavily. Truth is classified as hate speech, and as a result, of course, I can be arrested for my opinions, and I am. I've been arrested for a column in a national newspaper. I've been held and questioned by Major Homicide & Crime Command, the most serious homicide unit in the country, for something I said about immigrants. So, it's because of your Second Amendment that you still have your first, and I think for Americans, this is a moment in history. I think we're speaking as a respectful outsider where perhaps you're really feeling the force of why you're going to hold on to that Second Amendment, and I think this period in time has been very good for that.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, as a follow-up, you said that after the election, there might be upheaval, and the value of owning a gun with commensurate ammunition supply is so important. Does that matter who wins in your mind, as far as the importance of owning a gun, come the second week in November?

Katie Hopkins: I mean. Speaking bluntly, these aren't necessarily opinions I go around pushing on people, but being asked the question, when Donald Trump wins in November, as he surely will. I'm certain of it. There are places in this country where the only response that the other side will know is to burn the place. I think of two examples, one would be some parts of California, but I'm reassured by the preparations there. My biggest fear, my concern, and the reason I'm going back, actually, to Minnesota is that in the suburbs of Minneapolis, near the area of George Floyd and the rest of Ilhan Omar territory, I'm very concerned for the men and women living in the suburbs there and who are not preparing. They are not prepared. In my personal opinion, they have Biden and Harris signs on their front yard, or even Black Lives Matter signs imagining that that will be a defense when the mob comes, and it will not. So, I'm going back to Minnesota to try, and I've written up some material that I'm going to hand-deliver to some of the suburbs in Minnesota because I'm personally worried about them. I spent time at the George Floyd Memorial, and people told me what they plan to do. They plan to rip down the 38 street signs and plunk them in some of these white suburbs and do their damage. I think it's a reality. I think it's terrifying, but I think our side will ultimately emerge stronger.

Barry Nussbaum: Wow, well, that's an ugly prognosis for a couple of neighborhoods. Just really quick, for fun. You said you met someone from Glock. That wasn't Lenny McGill, was it?

Katie Hopkins: Oh, I'm just looking at my phone as we speak. I don't believe it was, but it was someone related because he talked about the manufacturing of the Glocks and the fact that he can't get enough in to meet the volume, and he's the number one manufacturer in the U.S., I believe. I'm just texting my friend to ask for his name. So, I don't know the answer to your question, but I'm going to find out.

Barry Nussbaum: If he owns the Glock's store, it's the guy I'm talking about, and he's the largest distributor. It's neither here nor there.

Barry Nussbaum: So, you've been all over the country.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: Since you've arrived, and obviously you're an outsider looking with very educated, experienced eyes at our country. What do you think is the biggest problem in America that may be an issue in the campaign or maybe an issue to solve after, depending on who wins? What would you say would be the top one or two issues that America needs to deal with first?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, well, I think the number one issue. I only see this going one way. I don't think that's naivete either. I think I am an outsider and a foreigner, but the fortunate thing, I suppose, is when you're just on the road, on the sidewalks with people every day, my conversations are those conversations of ordinary Americans. So, you get a good feeling for the heart of the place. I think after Trump wins, as I surely believe he will, that there will be a kind of reckoning once he has four more years. There is no need now for the gloves to stay on. Those gloves can come off. I think never again in American, in the future, can America have a President who could be so undermined by people inside the institution that they're supposed to support. That has to be resolved, and I believe that is what is coming. I believe there's going to be an epic level clear out of the establishment that should support the Office of President regardless of the name of the individual there. I think then the same kind of semantic law and order needs to be re-established and reinforced. Re-established because Democrats have removed it from many places, as we know, and reinforced because it will only take the lessons of a few areas and towns for people to realize that this game is up. So, Portland would be an example. Downtown Minneapolis, an example. It is time for this country to go back to the principles of law and order that decent families need to function. So, I think these are fundamental things. These are massive things, but after the anarchy is over and quelled, I think that will be the time of that reckoning. I think it will be cathartic and therapeutic, and that's the only future I'm willing to look at; any other, well, all is lost. So, yeah, that is my only way of coping.

Barry Nussbaum: So, let me ask you this. If we were going to compare the U.S. to the U.K., our experience with slavery and anti-black laws, even after slavery was abolished, Jim Crow and whatnot, all the prejudice in this country according to some members of the media, some politicians, and a whole lot of people rioting in the streets, this is the most racist country on planet Earth. At least in their opinion, they want to tear down and re-establish some socialist, communist utopia. Is there a Black Lives Matter movement in Great Britain as well? If so, why, and how does it compare to the United States?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, exactly. So, the answer to that, of course, is yes, there is. Given what you've just said in terms of the summation of political history and slavery, that is so much more rooted as we know in America. The reason there is a Black Lives Matter movement or whatever terrorist organization in the U.K. and indeed in France and indeed in Spain is that that playbook was written. You know, it was scripted. However, much you want to indulge in the conspiracy theory, I don't know, but I don't want to indulge in that too much. What I'll tell you is that the moment you had George Floyd, we had Belly Mujinga, and in France, they had another gentleman and in Spain, another name. All these names ready to go for different reasons. Our lady, as it happens, died whilst working on public transport. But they had a character for each country to enable the mobilization of the Black Lives Matter movement across Europe as well. So, I think there's that. I think what the joyous thing and I will always revert to joy, is that having just been here now in D.C. for the last two days with the 'Walk Away Movement' with Branton Straka. The majority of voices on that stage, I was a white minority, I think. But having black voices for Trump, Shamika Mitchell, David Harris, Jr., these powerful black speakers that speak such elegant truth of how they feel about America and how they have hope under Trump. Then I took it down a notch away from the staging and the scripting to an Uber Driver that drove me to the Dallas airport. She cried, and she cried, and she cried the whole journey because A) She got a good fare, like the fare to the airport was enough to make her feel better, and then it all came out. Then B) She just felt like there was no hope for her. There was nothing for her, and she just needed to get back to work. I think that's the truth with all of us here in America or anywhere because what we all want is to get back to work to look after our families and try to do the right thing. I think that is what politics has come to today. I think that is where America has come to just at the right moment. People will be voting for the right thing for their country and the right thing for their family, which has nothing to do with terrorists, terrorist organizations, inciting hate, defunding the police, or law and order.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, on that subject, there's something that I have trouble understanding, and I know a lot of Americans do. When you watch the political commentary, I don't necessarily mean just the mainstream media because some of it is so wildly anti-Trump, they have become the opposition and the ally of at least the leadership of the Democratic Party. But in terms of political issues if you go back before COVID. If you can remember, it seems like 12,000 years ago, but it really wasn't that long ago, the economy was on fire. Lowest unemployment for almost every discernible minority in American history. The rebuilding of the defense of the country. The wall being built. Immigration, illegal immigration being cut down. New trade agreements. I mean, you can go on and on. Not to mention the incredible news about peace in the Middle East. If I was looking at that and I didn't know anything about the dynamics of this George Floyd thing, the riots and Black Lives Matter, I would have thought that President Trump would walk into his second term in office in a landslide. I don't mean, up by two points, and he wins. I mean, if you win by five votes, then you're the President. But it would have been a rollover. I mean, like Reagan versus Mondale in our American history in the 80s. It was the biggest landslide ever. Why is that not happening now? Why does Biden have so much support if you had to pin it down to a couple of things? Here's a guy who hasn't been out of his basement very much, makes very confusing commentaries. Literally, and I mean this literally, is indecipherable; it's unintelligible what he says when he goes off-script, dozes off or whatever. Right? Why is the election looking the way it looks right now, notwithstanding your own confidence?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, and I think two things. One thing, I don't want to repeat sort of old talking points in terms of 'Oh the polls are always wrong.' But I think most people lack the moral courage or the fortitude to be honest about their support for Trump until they are alone with their vote. But I think also there is a sense of when people are uncertain, they will just give the right answer, and they've been told the right answer is to say the word, Biden. But I don't, I cannot even with my own levels of competence, I can't find that Biden support. I can't see it. I can't feel it. The only place I see it that drives me slightly wild, having just come out of Dallas, one of the richest, richest areas I was staying in just happened to be that way. These Biden/Harris lawn signs on these multi-million-dollar mansions. There's just that thing about when people reach a certain level of affluence and wealth, they then consider it something of a sort of duty to be a part of the Leftist. Once they've reached the privilege of private health care, private schooling, private security, private home, private everything, they then want the rest for thee but not for me, and it seems like they believe that's the right answer. I suppose that's a theme that we see in the U.K. as well. You know, you're only allowed one certain opinion. You're only allowed to have the right answer, which is the narrative, and if you go against it, they will take everything you have and everything you are.

Barry Nussbaum: So, let me drill down a little bit on that. Nobody who has an honest discussion can defend Joe Biden's mental acumen at this point.

Katie Hopkins: No.

Barry Nussbaum: He won't have a live press conference, period. The few times he's met with the press, there'll be four or five people who have been literally handed questions written by his staff, and then they have read those questions to him. You know there is a euphemism for that. Where they're throwing softballs, meaning it's very easy in the game of softball to hit the ball. It's so big. It's not really a challenge. They're not throwing hard. They're lobbing it to you. Even then, some of his answers are just gobbledygook.

Katie Hopkins: I mean. Isn't that sad?

Barry Nussbaum: Well, think about it. The most powerful person on planet Earth in American history and world history is the President of the United States. Just the idea that our President, regardless of who she or he is, goes to the hospital and worldwide, stock market futures plummet off a cliff because the American leadership in the world is so prominent, so important, and relied on. How can people think a man that can't make a coherent sentence at times, who falls asleep on stage, who demanded a 30-minute break. Sorry, a break every 30 minutes during the debate because he couldn't stand up, supposedly. How could he be leading in the polls? Now don't answer me regarding the polling, I mean, the question is more about whether people really want him to be President, or do they really not want Donald Trump to be President? Maybe that's the better question.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, and I just don't see this lack of support. I'm not answering the poll question. I'm just I don't see it. I think in the absence of being honest about voting Trump, they're just saying Biden. But I don't see the support. I can't see it. I'm looking for it. I can't find it and, you know, what makes me sad, actually, is I don't like really talking about the Biden thing too much. Which I know is a very strange thing to say when we're in a presidential election with 30 days out, but I don't like it because my dad is seventy-four, and my dad's getting a bit forgetful. I would do anything to protect my dad. So, if his memory, when it gets much worse, I will move my father into my home. I will protect him. I will not have any harm come to my dad. I find it emotionally upsetting that politics, and I know politics is rough, gutter-level, and horrible, but I'd never like to reconcile with the idea that that man is surrounded by people willing to see him humiliated in this way. Like I would love to get a hold of his wife. I'm told that she is the one that is so desperate to be the First Lady. I would love to ask her to her face, is it worth it what you're doing to this man? Is it worth it? I just don't think a vet would do this to a dog, but that woman is prepared to do it to her husband, and that political party is willing to do it to one man. I find it really troubling, and I don't like it if there is any comedy around Biden because I find it awkward because I feel like we're laughing at someone we shouldn't be.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, you know, what's interesting on that and it's not in a joking sense, but in a sense of concern, Katie. For months when they talked about who's going to win the Democratic nomination and be their standard-bearer, people were saying, get Biden off the stage. He's embarrassing himself. He's not able to communicate even in the debates. They are all annihilating him. Unless there is a, what's the right word, a safe environment, with the questions asked ahead of time, maybe he's on Adderall or whatever, no stress, and he gets to rest. There's no chance he is physically, mentally, and emotionally up to the concept of being on duty 24/7 with the nuclear codes next to his bed. There's just no way, and yet there he is.

Katie Hopkins: Actually, you know, I think it's a real shame because I think what we want from any kind of competition in life, generally, a true competition with two great candidates or opponents. If you're running a race and you're an athlete, surely you want to run the fastest that you can. We want to bring the best. Right? That is the old idea of competition, isn't it? You bring the very best. I think politics has gone such a long way from that. Hasn't it? It's a load of cunning and manipulating snakes in the grass. So, we've come a very long way from the competition, of creating the best, and that is such a pity. I mean, that's true in our school systems as well, of course. Where everyone's a winner these days, but it seems a great pity. I think, to reflect on your earlier point, the time you were talking about when we were winning so hard, it almost hurt. I say we in the grand sense that you have Trump, and your economy was on fire, and in the U.K., we had Boris. Boris said that we are going to get Brexit done, and he was on fire. We had Salvini in Italy turning migrant boats. We had, you know, Orbán in Hungary and Poland standing up and saying, "No, we're not going to be overrun." Like we were in such a good place, and we didn't even celebrate it hard enough. I really feel that, and they say that about life, don't they? When they say you never appreciate your health until you don't have it. I think we do that politically, too. We don't appreciate how great we have it, and we never ever would have conceived 2020 to get this dark.

Barry Nussbaum: Boy, is that the truth. You made some comments about Australia. I think it was on your YouTube. I've always thought of Australia, and maybe because I've never been there. Maybe it's because of its reputation as a sort of this free country. They're the pioneers in the South Pacific.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: They're these hardscrabble people, the home of AC/DC and rugby. What's going on there with their reaction to COVID? It's like they've become almost Stalinistic. Am I catching that story correctly?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, you're dead on. You're dead on the money. They are, if you think of an example, well, actually, there isn't an example in the U.S. that is as draconian or as drastic. Possibly the closest you'd come is in parts of California, I suppose. But yeah, certainly you're right in your interpretation of Australia. That this sort of idea of the Australian dream, a roll on the beach, having a great time, and we all used to be criminals, so now we're just going to live large, is like the effervescence of Australia. But sadly, particularly Melbourne and Victoria are very, very Leftist. The guy that is running that, Dan, has used this as an opportunity to utterly castrate a population. To the extent that the curfew at night is extreme. You're not allowed out of your home, more than five kilometers from your home, and under curfew, not even allowed out the door. The police interrogated a man for putting his bins out at the end of his yard. Another example is a pregnant woman being arrested, in her own home, in front of her children because she so much has posted something on Facebook about resisting the lockdown or an anti-lockdown policy. I mean, the level of draconian is off the chart. What's more frightening, and it's something we've seen in the U.K., as well, is the passing of laws that concentrate power in the hands of these Leftist lunatics and make it such that it is a truth right now, in New Zealand as well, that police can enter your home without a warrant. They can detain you without a warrant, they can hold you in isolation, and they can separate you from your children. Now, all of those things happen under this sort of Corona Act, but you just have to take away the Corona Act and the fact that no one is dying. They can now take you, separate you from your children, and hold you. How is that different from what the Chinese do to their Muslim population or whatever? How far are we off from being put in camps? I do wonder. I genuinely do wonder.

Barry Nussbaum: It reminded me of this analogous situation in San Diego many years ago. They wanted to build a bridge from downtown San Diego to the island of Coronado, where the Navy was headquartered instead of taking the ferry or driving around. People were saying, "Well, if we pass this bond and the bond gets paid off by a toll, the Government never lowers taxes after raising them, and once the tolls in place and the bonds paid off, we'll never get our freedom to go to Coronado again for free." Well, it turns out I don't remember the years. It's like twenty-five years later, the bonds paid off, and people start saying, take down the toll booths. Well, guess what? The Government said, "Well, now we want to use the money for blah, blah, blah." I think it's just like what you're saying. These draconian laws that nobody would have ever okayed in their right mind, except for the life or death COVID-19 threat. Well, they'll be used for the next "disaster" and I’m putting that in quotes or the next "emergency" in air quotes, and that's what concerns me. I think that's what concerns you, right?

Katie Hopkins: Yes. I think you know, in New Zealand, for example, Jacinda Ardern is the name of the leader. They picked a really good one there. They did that thing they do. They find someone motherly and womanly and personable. She managed to get these draconian laws passed. Police can enter your home without a warrant, any member of her lynch squad can arrest you, and they are not even police officers. She got this passed within 24 hours. They didn't go through the normal process or procedure. There was no sort of discussion of them. They were just forced through, and they basically took powers that were formally separated and concentrated them all in her hands. So, you're absolutely, you're exactly right. As I think there was that sort of initial sense of, ‘oh, gosh, let's do something.’ We must get something done when people hear about deaths and see pictures of ambulances and then mobile furnaces. We saw pictures of crematoriums needing to be bussed in. This sense of, right, we need to get stuff passed and get it done. But, of course, eight months in or however many months in, now we start to see that things weren't quite as we were told. It was never about flattening the curve, and nobody under the age of 60, is really affected, and, and, and suddenly these laws don't make sense and they had to be rushed through. It certainly doesn't make sense that they're still being extended. It's a minor miracle of the mainstream media that things like flattening the curve have almost disappeared from the narrative. It's almost as if that was never said. It was never, you know, the curve was just a lie. That it was a moment in time and just disappeared, almost like Snapchat for kids. Now it has become like that inconvenient truth erased from the collective memory.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, it's as if the press has become an arm of the Governments propaganda ministry.

Katie Hopkins: Yes. Yes, exactly.

Barry Nussbaum: It's not even news. It's propaganda to change public opinion to where it needs to get.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: So, we've got a viewer question for you. As a Brit, and of course, with your role as the 'Biggest Bitch in Britain,' you're eminently qualified to answer this. You mentioned before that you very much want Trump to be re-elected. If he stays in office for four more years, what does that do for the U.K.?

Katie Hopkins: Oh, well. I mean, A) I'll be able to sleep. To be able to sleep, that would be nice. B) I won't wake up; I'm sure other of your listeners will understand these feelings. You wake up as if you've been underwater and then coming up for air, and I find it more and more at the moment. I wake up like this, and then I'm like, "Oh no, it's okay, it's okay." So, A) That will stop and B) It would be hope for us. So, whilst I am certain of the fact that my country will fall. I'm certain of that because demographics alone show that will be the case. In 10 years, Muslims will outnumber all others. I'm a minority everywhere, and my children are already a minority in primary school. So, I know we will lose our country, but America lives on. There was this little story, if I may, of back in the day, America came over to the U.K We used to have good wine, and you took our vineyards in order to plant in California and other regions. You became, of course, the wine experts. But there was one time in the U.K., I believe there was this huge fire in all our vineyards, and everything was wiped out. We came over to America to get new shoots from your plants to replant and replace our vineyards. That is exactly the analogy that I draw for the Judeo-Christian culture as well. Is that there will be a time of great separation. My Jewish friends will leave Paris and London. They return to Israel. They will look for a safe place to call home. British people will do the same. We're pulling back to the coastline, and eventually, we will move to Hungary, Poland, Croatia, and Eastern Europe. But one day, we will come back to America to replant the seeds of our true Judeo-Christian culture. We will win it back but not in my lifetime, I'm certain. But I see it here in America too this retreat to a defendable space. That's a bit dramatic, but people will be able to see the silent mass movement of people to states where they feel more like they belong or more like a place they can call home. I've actually got one of my big callings now to people who may still be uncertain of how to vote. It doesn't matter who you hated in the past. It doesn't matter who you voted for before. What you need to do, I think now, is to come home because our side helps people feel better. Have a future you could feel better about, so for me, this coming home idea is massive on all scales but come home to our side and help people feel better. Then we can make sure America stays great.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, let's talk about leaving the country. Your friend and a hero to many free Americans, Tommy Robinson, said he's leaving the U.K. for Spain. I've never thought of Spain as the bastion of freedom and certainly not under its socialist leanings. Will Tommy Robinson feel safer in Spain than in Great Britain?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, I mean, absolutely. He's safer in Spain than Great Britain. In Great Britain, and this has always been true, I think it's true of him and myself as well. One day they'll get either of us or both of us. Tommy Robinson will not survive being in the U.K. They've come to his house and come for him in the night. They've come for his wife, his wife's kids, his wife at his car, his kids at venues that they go to, and I think the same is largely true for me in different ways, but also the same. I think probably Spain seems like an easy answer. Spain seems like an easy option for him. Probably because it's a language that he understands, he's made, I suspect, a sort of a cocoon of safety for his family. He is sort of hiding out there more like a little, an igloo of safety. In terms of how he proceeds and where he'll eventually live his life, I don't know. I know that he would like to do that in America. I know that he can't come here for various reasons. He has not always had a clean sheet that has been whiter than white. So, I suspect what he is just trying to do is self-preservation at this point, and he can see that there's a better chance of self-preservation in Spain. Which absolutely there is.

Barry Nussbaum: Interesting, so you've been to Minneapolis. We talked about that, and you've looked at just the devastation. It looks like a giant from outer space stepped on neighborhoods and then set it on fire, like some kind of terrible movie. Is that because Minneapolis is just radical, or is it a combination of Keith Ellison, infamous ex-congressman, first devout Muslim to serve in Congress, now Attorney General, and a huge Muslim population that hates big time, the American freedom of religion and the separation of faith? Many people there can't understand why Sharia is not the law of the land. Do you see any link between what the demographic is there and what has happened to that physicality?

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, I mean, and it's so, it is so dark. I say that coming from the U.K. I think it was upsetting it. I think for me personally, because this is America, and I feel so free here. So often overjoyed with so many things. That I found Minneapolis to be so upsetting because I felt much of the U.K. right there. If you take the example of London and the U.K., London is a Muslim controlled zone, and as a result, London now has the ear of the world. It's as if Sadiq Khan, the Muslim Mayor, speaks for England. Whereas, of course, it's just that London is Muslim majority and the Muslim Mayor and so it speaks London's truth, which isn't ours. Of course, that's true in Minnesota because Minneapolis is this nightmare of epic proportions. But Minnesota is red, and yet Minneapolis gets to speak, downtown gets to speak for the whole state, and it's not the truth of it at all. I think what's so upsetting is just, and I wanted to see Riverside where all of these families are piled in high on these buildings. I won't tell you what the police force calls those, but it's not pleasant nor polite, but it's the truth of the matter this whole vast population with little to do hanging around in huge numbers, all voting according to religion. I know from London and all of our towns and cities that are now controlled by Muslims. If you infiltrate, swarm, and flood an area with a Muslim population that reproduces at three times the rate of any other, you've got your votes then, according to whatever the mosque tells them. You will never return power outside of Muslim hands. Hence you have Keith Ellison passing through Ilhan Omar, and then that monopoly just continues. Then I think with the fracturing that went on with Black Lives Matter; it's a community that's utterly lost, even downtown. I stayed in a relatively new apartment building. I'm sure it's supposed to be filled with affluent Asians and aspiring singles, and it was empty apart from me. There is no one on the streets, which makes it very weird when you go out. I watched black men go up to diners outside, a couple of people bravely trying to return to normality. Go up, grab food off their plates with both hands, and then walk off nonchalantly down the road eating it. It is an utterly lawless place, and the right answer is black or Muslim or other, and the wrong answer is white. I think once that becomes right and wrong, it's going to take a very long time or a meteor to correct that place.

Barry Nussbaum: You're talking like it's a dystopian reality, and it's already manifested.

Katie Hopkins: Oh, yeah. I can't tell you. I went to Wal-Mart to buy a wardrobe, and you know I go to dark places. That's my job as I see it. I walked to the George Floyd Memorial. I went to Wal-Mart to buy an outfit first so I wouldn't stand out. On the way back, a guy tried to stop me to get anything I had. I knew then, and I've been to some bad places, I knew that my reaction mattered as to whether I would be all right or not, and this is the center of downtown Minneapolis. I'm not one for exaggeration. People have seen footage of me doing other things. It is dark, and you're not going to walk around that place on your own, and you certainly shouldn't be out. I would not allow anyone that I cared about to go there. It's really dark, and of course, no media have the courage, to go there. So, it's not really being shown. They just show pictures of the George Floyd Memorial that make it look like it's obscure or isolated. There's a whole place that's utterly not. Yeah, it is really dark. Barry, honestly, I came away, really upset. I rang my husband, and that doesn't often happen, to sort of say, you know, I wanted to get out of there. Having said that, I'm going back.

Barry Nussbaum: You're amazing. Here's another question from one of our listeners. The world economy was blown up, and whatever's left of it has been decimated. There's virtually nothing near normal worldwide for trade, manufacturing, retail, sales, wholesale. Even the transfer of normal commodities from goods and oil and so on has been disrupted. The world economy has slowed down faster than anything seen in world history. Since Trump has been pushing to open back up in the United States, there has been record growth, but we've got a long way to go. If you had to make a prognostication for the recovery of the world's economy. This is somebody asking this question. What would you say to her?

Katie Hopkins: Yes, so the recovery of the economy will be a selective thing. China is obviously using this to steal a march and power ahead. The recovery will be strong in states once Trump has the win. Also, states that have been led by great Governors or great leaders. Florida is a good example of a place that can be opened back up quickly and will be able to recover. Other places will be left to fall. The U.K. is a good example of that. For many of these leaders, whatever is in it for them, their country's managed decline is as profitable and easier than fighting for what's best for the country. That's why the U.K. has been falling for 20 years or so. It's far more profitable for the British Government to churn profit off the backs of human flesh, bringing Muslims to Europe, than to try to reboot the economy. So, the flood of people will continue to come. So, I think what we'll see from an economic recovery is the bright lights will grow bright and quick and fast. People will be drawn to them, rightly so, and in places where the darkness has already taken hold, U.K., South Africa, the darkness will come more quickly. I think the thing I would say is our side is always the resilient side. Our side is the side that's been through stuff before. Decent Americans with their weapons and their willingness to graft hard, to work hard, I think that's what we need to do, is start. We're going to join up and work hard together to try and find a way through. What worries me as well, apart from this question about the economy, and there will be states that we’ll be moving to. People are on the move. I can't tell you how many people I meet here that are on the move. They're looking to move to the states that they think are going to make it. Is that we're losing so many people. A family in Minnesota just lost their 14-year-old son. He walked out in front of a train because this season, he had depended on being selected for the American football team, and that had been missed. Without that future, he couldn't see a way forward. So, I think it's one of the other things for our side, Barry, is trying to get people to hold on. I keep, kind of, asking people to hold on to something special and find a memory of something that you really like in your life and hold on to it. Because one thing that we do know for sure is that this will pass, and we may not ever return to normal, I think that's true, but we will find a way of getting through this. We will also find that people who are like-minded and like us will gather more tightly than before and will move to be with each other and I think that will be a really, really good thing.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, on that subject. Do you have any optimism for the U.K.? I mean, you mentioned before that eventually, Brits would go to the coast and then go somewhere else. Hungary, or wherever, they seem to feel safer to be able to exist, be able to speak, and raise their family in relative security. Is there anything the U.K. can do to get you back there and feeling comfortable, or do you feel it's hopeless?

Katie Hopkins: I think two sides because obviously, I'm not a doom-monger even though I have this certainty that my country's fallen. Let's bear in mind I come from the military. I signed up to fight for my country. I love my country. So sometimes I feel disloyal by telling the truth about it. We are overrun already. All of the scaffolding and the fundamentals of the takeover are there. A Muslim Police Association, a Muslim system of law, Muslim courts, and Muslim housing are all there. So, we are gone, but of course, there are moments of jubilation and triumph where we still roar pretty loudly, 17.2 million people voted for Brexit. A Boris Johnson win on the 12th of December last year. Still moments of hope, and of course, I am grateful for the support I have in the U.K., but I think the separation of individuals in the U.K. will become starker. The pullback to communities, gated communities, where people can live inside areas that they can secure among their own. We will follow the South African trajectory on that. We will create islands within an island that we can feel safe amongst. That is what's coming.

Barry Nussbaum: Lovely.

Katie Hopkins: Yes.

Barry Nussbaum: So, as an alternative for Katie and family, a listener wants to know, would you or could you immigrate here?

Katie Hopkins: Yes. So absolutely, I want to get the children out. I mentioned I am hunted in the U.K. I think what's happened with the latest movements and Black Lives Matter and the sheer numbers against me in terms of the demographics that when I am got, one day, if I am there's a legitimacy to that. It will be seen as, well she had it coming, and we really feel that at the moment. My husband has been acutely aware of that. I'm underplaying it slightly. So, I would like to get my children out to safety. I certainly can't claim asylum in the U.S. because of diplomatic reasons. Meaning that the U.S. would never infer that the British police can't look after a member of the British national citizenry, but I think there are ways I can apply for legal immigration. Of course, the only thing is that I will fight for my country, and I can't leave it. I will stay there until whenever that end comes. Also, my parents are there. I wouldn't leave my parents, but I would love for my husband and my children to be able to get out, and we are looking into that to try and find a way of doing that. Obviously, I want to articulate that I want to pay my way. We want to pay our way, we want to do it properly, and we want to do it respectfully, but I do need to get the children out of the U.K.

Barry Nussbaum: Is this a near-term thing, or is this eventually?

Katie Hopkins: This feels near term. Yeah, I would say within six months. It would be an ideal time to be able to get them out only because waiting is sort of fraught, laced with regret. You regret and repentant at your leisure, I think, and with children, you can't afford to do that. So yeah, these things are a little dark, but these aren't things that I talk of when I'm with groups in the sense that we don't go into the minutia of it. I have no sympathy or pity for myself. I think the more important thing is that we focus on the big picture. I'm just one thing. The big picture is America and American freedom. That's what we are all in this fight for. That's what makes me so confident because this is biblical in scale. I know that we're on the side of the right and I believe, still believe, Barry, that we're going to win.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, we're going to save that discussion until the end because I have a monster question for you, but in the meantime, I want to ask about China. Because in the news, these last couple of days, there are certain people still thinking China is all that to America. Despite the current COVID-19, the Wuhan virus, and before that, half a dozen other ones. Not to mention spying, stealing state secrets, belligerency in the South China Sea, threatening the United States militarily, espionage, and on and on. Do you think it should be part of the American political scene? This is a question that just came in. Should America stand up to China, and if so, how would you respond to the people that say that's xenophobic? That you don't like the Chinese people?

Katie Hopkins: I think we've gotten quite over labeled. You know, I think we got over labeled a long time ago. It doesn't matter to me if you call me xenophobic or Islamophobic or any of those things. I'm done with labels. I'll take your label if you argue my point. So, I think we do have to stand up to China. I think the trick is how, because any kind of engagement with China won't be according to the normal playbook as has been demonstrated spectacularly well by China in 2020. So, I guess the question is not so much should we stand up to China. It's how and the how is not some sort of usual military. It doesn't fit in the field of the military. It fits somewhere else. I think fits, certainly economically, and it certainly fits with allies that will stand up against them. But, yeah, we've seen how effectively they'll use other forms of warfare to achieve their political ends. That's without us seeing much in the way of tech-based warfare that they're perfectly capable of, or at least we haven't seen much evidence of that in the wider public. So, yes, I think maybe that's where this alliance is with Trump pushing so hard with Israel looking at the Middle East. The balancing of power will be an interesting thing, but I think that's the only way to push back on China is to make it such that the powers are on our side and not theirs, but they are terrifying. I think the Chinese Government and their attitude, their mentality is terrifying. I do not wish to be culturally inappropriate. I have to say, at the level of the individual, I'm talking about myself. I'm lots of very bad things. I'm annoying. I'm over-talkative. I'm over-excitable. Right? I'm all these bad qualities that actually, you know, that's who I am. I find that when you have the Chinese mentality, their adherence to rules, willingness to repeat and comply, follow the regimen, and culturally very subservient. You see that in schools. You see that in the way that they will go at something until they become genius at it. Just because that's what they're programmed to be like. I find that culturally, very awkward, as well. So, all these different levels. I think we do need to stand up to China. I don't think it's as simple as standing up and pulling out a weapon.

Barry Nussbaum: Well. I've saved the best for last.

Katie Hopkins: It better be good because you've built us up.

Barry Nussbaum: I'm not going to ask you to do it in a sentence or two. We have a few minutes. You are suggesting that you believe, contrary to every single poll, Donald Trump will be re-elected in a month. Tell me why.

Katie Hopkins: Donald Trump will be re-elected on the 3rd of November or a date thereafter, and it will be because this election is not an election of politics. This is no longer about red or blue. This is not about Republican or Democrat. This is a moment in time that's about doing the right thing. It's a moral calling for people to do the right thing at the level of their own family. If you want to be able to defend your family. If you want to be able to protect your family. Be paid to work and therefore earn money to pay, to feed, and to house your family. You have to vote for the party and the person who will be able to protect that for you, and that's Donald J. Trump. The parallel is very clear with the U.K. Just as we have Brexit, we weren't allowed, and then you had Trump, you weren't allowed. On the 12th of December, even in my country, which will fall, people came out, and they voted not with a political party. A place in the U.K. called the Red Wall, which is our Democrats, our Bernie Sanders types. They came out, and they voted. Their grandfather's fathers voted Red or Bernie, but they came out and voted for Boris Johnson because it was the right thing to do for the country. That's precisely what's going to happen in America. People vote for the right thing for the country, and beyond that, there are places that will burn. The Left will burn down parts of America, New York City, parts of California, Minneapolis, but that cleansing has to happen. There will be immediate and draconian measures brought in. There will be some sort of rebalancing of America. I think when all the smoke and the dust and the debris is cleared, there will be a new way forward for America with law and order at the heart of this country and your constitutional freedoms put back where they belong.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, you're making the case as a campaign adviser urging slogans. Which, by the way, sounds quite good, but you're not answering the question. Which is, and I didn't ask it this way. Every single national poll shows Biden ahead popular vote and electoral count, which matters, and that lead is growing. Why do you think those polls are wrong?

Katie Hopkins: I think because those are the polls. This idea that we would trust the media with anything at this point is absolutely bizarre. We cling to the rationale for some bizarre reason in the same way that Brits cling to democracy. Even when we were shown we couldn't have it. We keep looking for rational people. People still ask me why I was removed from Twitter? Like there will be a rational answer. There is no rational answer as to why pollsters and the media are prepared to lie to us other than they believe it will help keep people from voting. Help keep Biden supporters voting and repress the Trump enthusiasm. That's why those polls are doing what they're doing. I don't believe that they are based on facts nor science. I don't believe that they are based on anything actually being counted. I think they're just another manufactured way of telling us things that we're supposed to think so that we fall down and are depressed, don't get together, don't group together, and don't go vote. I think it's a tool being used by the opposition, just like COVID has been used by the Chinese and whoever else. Just like it's been used by Democrats to shut down cities. Just like it's been used to destroy America. If politicians are willing to destroy America in order to get the team they want in, they're sure as hell willing to make up some nonsense about polls.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, I'm not even sure if the nonsense has to be made up. You know there's a lot of evidence that I'm reading more and more on a daily basis, which is there are certain ways to poll. If you have an answer in your mind that you want to get at after you've expended whatever amounts of money it takes to get there. In other words, if you oversample Democrats and you under-sample Republicans then what happens is you get literally the answer you would expect, quite frankly, from people that are already more Democrat than Republican in your sample group. So, if you have one hundred people, you're going to poll, and you want to get an honest answer. You want to have a proportional number of Republicans and Democrats to find out how they're going to vote, but if you sample 60 percent Democrat and 40 percent Republican, is it any wonder that Biden's up to nine points? Well, no, not at all. It's like going to a Biden rally and asking them, the 13 people in attendance, who do you want to vote for? Well, you're going to get 10 out of 13 to, say, the guy in front of the room that looks kind of sleepy. So, if all of the polling is being done that way, you're going to get a different answer. It's curious because some polls that are out now today, James Zogby's poll is an example, where he's very careful in his polling criteria to be asking equal amounts of Republicans and Democrats. When he does, he comes up with a race that's within the margin of error. But if you look at the NBC poll that came out today, it's going to be a landslide. I mean, it's going to be the biggest lopsided Electoral College landslide in history.

Katie Hopkins: I suppose. I mean, the joy I have, and it's a joy I'm choosing, as well. I don't wish to appear ignorant, but equally, I don't believe I'm being informed better by the T.V. than by my own eyes. I just don't see it. I don't see it at all. I don't hang on to all that nonsense, but I just don't see it. I don't believe it not for one second. I believe it's a complete contrivance. Out on the pavements, on the sidewalks, in the places I go, we have got this.

Barry Nussbaum: Tell people quickly, Katie, where they can find you, follow you, support you.

Katie Hopkins: Well, it's tricky. I mean, it's a lot trickier to find me these days because, of course, we're all being removed at speed, but do you have a platform called Parler? You call it called Parler, P-A-R-L-E-R. I call it Parlay. Anyway, I'm at capital K, capital T. Hopkins. People can find me there or on YouTube. People can find me at Katie Hopkins Official. So, I'm kind of around. It's kind of easy to find me if you Google me. Although, a lot of the Google stuff is pretty unkind. Parler is the best place to keep in touch with me, or for me to keep in touch with people about where I'm going to be. Next up in my journey, I head to Palm Beach to help Laura Loomer with her campaign. Do some fundraising for her, and then I head up to northern Florida to a place that I can't pronounce called something like Alachua, A-L-A-C-H-U-A. How do you say that Alachua?

Barry Nussbaum: I don't know.

Katie Hopkins: It sounds like a lot of fun.

Barry Nussbaum: So, I want to thank you for coming on today. I'm sure that our audience appreciates it as well. For any of our listeners who haven't subscribed yet, please sign up for our text message alert system to get shows like this one with Katie and everybody else we do radio and television with. Simply by taking out your cell phone and texting the word TRUTH, T-R-U-T-H. Send it to 88202. You'll be automatically subscribed. It's always free. You'll see Katie, Barry, Annie, and all of our supporters from ATP. Katie, thanks again for coming on. I sure appreciate you squeezing us in as you're saving America for us.

Katie Hopkins: Thank You.

Barry Nussbaum: I wish you nothing but safe travels and happy times while you're visiting our wonderful country.

Katie Hopkins: Thank you very much, indeed. Thank you for having me on the show.

Barry Nussbaum: It's our pleasure. So, for ATP Radio. Thanks for joining us. I'm Barry Nussbaum.

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