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Homeland Security Expert Predicts Afghan Disaster After Bolton Fired!


Barry Nussbaum: Good evening and welcome to the Truth Report. I'm Barry Nussbaum. We have a very special guest today. We have Phil Haney with us. You might recognize Phil as one of the founding members of Homeland Security here in the United States. He's a 35-year member of law enforcement with an expertise in Middle Eastern and terror policy. And we are going to talk about the breaking news here in the United States today, all about John Bolton leaving the White House and its implications on American policy. But before we get started, I want to make sure you remember that you can text "Truth" the word is truth to 8 8 2 0 2 to subscribe to our mailing list. And you will never miss an exciting episode, and future episodes, videos, and articles will come directly to your phone simply by sending "Truth" to 8 8 2 0 2. So, Phil, welcome aboard. It's great to have you today.

Philip Haney: Great. Thank you so much.

Barry Nussbaum: So, Bolton is gone. In a general sense, without knowing the new national security adviser. What do you think changes, if any, will be in Trump's national security policy overall?

Philip Haney: We'll start with the most immediate example that will be Afghanistan. Apparently, what precipitated this break, this disconnect between Bolton and Trump had to do with his intention to bring members of the Taliban and also the president of Afghanistan to Camp David. My impression, based on what I know of Trump, is that he literally wanted to sit them in the same room face to face. Because, as you know, the Taliban has insisted that they will not negotiate with the current government of Afghanistan in Kabul. So they've been negotiating with our emissary for the last year and a half, and we've been letting them do it. Somewhere along in this process, Trump woke up in the middle of the night, or someone informed him, "Hey, you're negotiating with the Taliban. We already are. What would be so different only geographically to have them come here instead?" I should also mention that five of the 14 members of the Taliban negotiating team were the infamous Guantanamo Taliban. So that's astonishing to me that at one time they were in Gitmo and now they're on the negotiating team. So if people have concerns about that vis-a-vis Taliban and Camp David, it would seem to me they would have brought him up a long time ago. So somewhere in this process of President Trump's proposal to sit down face to face with all the parties and see if maybe he can come up with a statesman-like solution to the problem, he ran into conflict and pushed back from his own staff. Then he announced and I applaud the courage that he had to say, the talks are dead. It's over. He didn't say we're not going to have any more. It's just that the way they've been, I'm not happy with them. That's it, and we're not going to do it anymore. And I think that was right. Because if we would have signed on, the bottom line, it would have been in one of the most humiliating diplomatic defeats we've ever suffered because the Taliban would have handed us our supper on a plate. So now he's going to step back. He's going to look at it. And as you said, we're going to really know a lot about who he ends up appointing to be the next security adviser. We'll have a lot of ideas from there. But he's going to slow down in Afghanistan.

Barry Nussbaum: Let me stop you before we move to other geographic locations. Phil in regards to the Taliban you've interrogated Taliban, correct?

Philip Haney: I've interrogated. It's called an interview. I never interrogated anybody.

Barry Nussbaum:  So let me ask you, based on your interviews where one of you was free and the other one, wasn't, and we know who is walking around and who wasn't, is there any sense within you that in a negotiation with these people who are radical Islamists that want to rule according to strict Sharia interpretation, can we ever long term believe anything they agree to?

Philip Haney: No, because they've already made it public. They've already issued public statements on their own media platforms. Applauding themselves and being honored by others in Al-Qaeda of the Indian subcontinent or Islamic State or other subgroups, that they've already won in Afghanistan. And the way that they signal that in the icon of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan is to show a white flag with Black Arabic writing on it. Whenever you see a white flag and an icon anywhere in the world, Islamic, it means they've already achieved a victory. That's the point of the flag. So when they publish press releases and commentary on the proceedings, if they show a white flag, it means from their perspective, they've already won. They control 70 percent of the country already minimum. And that's not counting the influence of Iran. That's not counting the influence of Pakistan. That's not counting the influence of these other subgroups and or Al-Qaida and or Islamic State. If you add all those up together, really the only places left is a little island called Havel, virtually the wholeness of the country is already taken. So what exactly were we negotiating for?

Barry Nussbaum: It reminds me somewhat of the withdrawal from Vietnam. Our troops were literally sailing away. And Vietnam was on the way to falling apart. I don't see it being any different than Afghanistan. Which if you think about all the blood and treasure that we have left all over that country. When we went in, there was a brutal Islamic control. They were destroying everything that was outside of their very strict religious teaching. And now, all those billions of dollars later, and all those thousands of Americans wounded and killed, we're just going to hand him the keys and say, "Bye, guys."

Philip Haney: We're going to hand the keys to two people or two countries. Actually, several. But their roster includes China. China is just sitting there like a vulture up on the wire, waiting for us to withdraw. And you're going to swoop in and take it all. Our own geologists discovered three-plus trillion dollars worth of rare earth elements and other unrefined things like gold and silver and so on. As soon as we leave, China is going to come in and buy it all. And China doesn't care about domestic policy. They never put any qualifiers or caveats on what they do. They make a deal. They say that we want five billion dollars worth cobalt. That's all they care about. So we have China sitting there poised. We have Pakistan. We have Iran, which is only too glad to destabilize anything that America tries to do. And Anni knows this, of course, and if you just look at a map of the eastern border of Iran, you'll notice that half of the border is Afghanistan and the other half of the border is Pakistan. They both touch right up. And there is a city right at that T point. It's a funnel for everything coming from the west right into the battlefield of Afghanistan. Just like the city of Peshawar, on the eastern side is a funnel right through the Khyber Pass into Afghanistan. So it's essentially the world's battlefield, which does segway to Pakistan and our policy with Pakistan.

Barry Nussbaum: Thanks, Phil. That was great stuff. Thanks for joining us today on the Truth Report. You can always go to our website, Americantruthproject.org. You can find it by just typing and findbarry.com. That takes you right to the website where you can sign up, so you never miss an exciting episode. And don't forget text truth to 88202. 88202 gets you on a mailing list, and this time you'll get all of our stuff for free right to your phone every single day without having to do anything more. Again, thanks for joining us. I'm Barry Nussbaum.


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