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9/11 Part Two: Perpetrators Behind the Attacks Revealed


Barry Nussbaum: Hello, and welcome to ATP Report on this very special anniversary week of 9/11. We have two very special expert guests that I'm very honored to introduce to you today. First, Clare Lopez is an internationally recognized expert on terrorism. She's a writer and a frequent expert commentator on that subject. She has an extensive background representing the United States worldwide, especially being overseas with the CIA. Our second terrific guest is Dr. Bill Warner. He's a former college professor, a prolific writer, and the creator of the theory of political Islam. Welcome, Clare, and welcome, Bill.

Dr. Bill Warner: Thank You.

Clare Lopez: Thank you, Barry.

Barry Nussbaum: Let's go into a theory that never gets talked about very much, and Clare, you've done some work on this. The real brains behind 9/11 never faced justice never were publicized as their culpability should have been, and I'm speaking specifically about Iran and Hezbollah. Clare, tell us about the Havlish case.

Clare Lopez: Well, I will say first that I was an expert witness in this legal case called the Havlish case, which was brought by a number of widows from 9/11, including widows of pilots. And they came to a law firm because they believed that the US government would never get to the bottom of it and show them the truth. And so they came to a law firm, and that law firm eventually grew to a consortium of eight law firms working together. I joined the case around 2009. Like Ken Timmerman, others had been on the case since around 2002, and I'll tell you that they were looking at Iraq in the very beginning. They thought that the path led to Saddam Hussein, but after a couple of years of research, they realized Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, and that's when they switched to looking at Iran, and I came into the case and others, too, as expert witnesses. And what we found through completely open-source research, by the way, all of this can be found at a website, www.Iran911case.com. There are tabs there to all of the affidavits. I can't tell you how many. More than a dozen of which I co-authored one with my good friend and colleague, Dr. Bruce Teft, and its exhibit number six on that website. And what we found in that research is that the Sunnis and the Shiites, whom many to this day refuse to believe will ever work together, in fact, came together in Khartoum in the early 1990s at the invitation of then-president of Sudan, Omar al-Bashir, and this was at the conclusion of the Afghan war. You'll remember the Soviets were defeated, they left, and people were leaving Afghanistan. Well, Osama bin Laden wanted to go back to Saudi Arabia, his home, and this was the time, remember, of the first Gulf War. Saudi Arabia feels threatened by Saddam Hussein. The king of Saudi Arabia says you're not coming here, and so the president of Sudan took them in. The fighters, Osama bin Laden, his friends, his fighters, Ayman al-Zawahiri, his deputy of not yet al-Qaida, because that hadn't formed yet, but it was in the formation stage. And in Khartoum, they held something that I've taken to calling Jihad Jamboree. They invited all the jihadis of the Islamic world to include the PLO, Palestinian Liberation Organization, PFLP, Hezbollah, the top leadership of Hezbollah to include the top terror chieftain, Imad Mughniyeh, killed in 2008 in Damascus and also the entire top leadership of the government of Iran at the time. That means the president, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. It means the head of the IRGC, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Mohsen Rezaee. It means the head of the intelligence service of Iran, Ali Fallahian, at that time. They all came to Khartoum, and they joined forces in 1990 and other meetings later in the early 1990s. They joined forces right then and there to form a jihad alliance to attack the West and Israel, of course. That was the beginning of 9/11, and it was under the leadership of Iran. Osama bin Laden turned to the president of Iran and said, "Hey, I really like what your Hezbollah boys do with big buildings," referring back to the 1983 attacks on our embassy, the French Embassy, Marine Corps barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, 1983 and said, "Can you guys teach my boys how to do that?" This is the beginning of 9/11. And so the president of Iran turns to Imad Mughniyeh, the terror chieftain of Hezbollah, and says, "Imad, it's your job. Teach these guys how to do big building suicide truck bombings". And after that, we got Khobar Towers in 1996. We got the East Africa embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam in Nairobi in 1998. We got the USS Cole in the harbor and in Yemen in 2000 and eventually the planes that struck the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the one that was downed over over Pennsylvania. That was the origin of the Sunni Shiite alliance that we put together from open-source research in the Havlish case, but which intelligence, national security completely missed at the time. It found its way later into the 9/11 Commission report briefly, but at the time, it was completely missed because they had a preconceived notion that Sunnis and Shiites could not work together.

Barry Nussbaum: Well, thanks for that encyclopedic review. I'm sad that you're probably one of a handful of people in the country that has paid any attention to this because, for some reason, the story just got buried. So let's go back to 9/11, the first major Islamic terror attack on our soil. In those days, my memory is there was one major Islamic hate group in America, and it was run by the sole purveyor of it, at least in the media, Louis Farrakhan and his speeches of I hate America, I hate white people, I hate Jewish people. He was looked at as an anti-Semitic, pro-Islamic, anti-American, anti-white, crazy guy. How did it change in the years after 9/11, with everything we know, where that hate speech which used to be confined to the crazy guy on the south side of Chicago is now part and parcel of mainstream politicians, several of which got elected to Congress? One of which is now the Attorney General of Minnesota. Bill, what happened?

Dr. Bill Warner: We looked into the mouth of the dragon and blinked. We decided that we did not want to engage Islam because Islam already had its roots deep into America. And there's something that most people don't know. After 9/11, 72 hours later, the phones began to ring in churches that pick up the phone. Hi, my name is Imad. I would like to come to your church and give a lecture on Islam, the religion of peace. Something is very interesting about this. I do not know of any other organization in the world other than the Muslim Brotherhood, who would create a national program for PR in three days' time in the middle of the world's largest disaster. So what they found was the churches were the weak point of our strength because they were into tolerance. And so the church of tolerance is what betrayed us, and that Muslims were able to walk into any group they wanted to and deliver their message, and then they created the concept of bridge-building. It was a one-way bridge, but nobody seemed to notice. So what happens is, what I call our foundations and shields the things that are supposed to undergird our society and supposed to protect us all failed in the face of Islam. Whether it's law enforcement, universities, I mean, our universities no longer deal and critical thought. This breaks my heart because going to a university changed my life of who I am and made my life possible, and now then we see they're corrupt, they're in it for the money, and they no longer will allow any form of debate on any issues that becomes ideological centers and so what we discover is this pervasiveness now. It's not just Islam anymore. It started out there but now then, do you know how many names I've been called by the Southern Poverty Law Center for simply stating what Muhammad said and did. I mean, it's endless.

Barry Nussbaum: I know. I respect you for being labeled an Islamophobic because everything you say has a footnote. You say it, and then you say, hey, go look it up, I'm not kidding, and for that, you get the label. Exactly. So Clare, as we talked about a few minutes ago, George Bush started Islam is the religion of peace, but your research and others have all concluded that not only is it not peaceful, there are actual governments who wholesale export terror around the world. I'm speaking primarily about Iran. What in the world was Barack Obama thinking to spit into the faces of everybody whose lives were destroyed by 9/11 and he spent eight years propping up the home of terror and defending Islamic terrorism by shipping them planeloads of cash on pallets? Encouraging them by a deal to develop nuclear weapons, and ignoring their export of terrorism around the world. What was his mission as president in regards to Islamic terror?

Clare Lopez: Well, Barry, we have to remember, of course, that according to Islamic law, Barack Obama was born a Muslim. If anyone is born of a Muslim father, that person by Islamic law, by Sharia, is a Muslim, and so he was. That's number one. Tutored in his teen years by a communist, Frank Marshall Davis, so put those together and then finally coming to office, elected in 2008, coming to office in 2009. Barack Obama and his administration, his team came to office, I think, with a world view of Weltanschauung that said America is a force for ill, for evil in the world, and they set about to diminish American power and influence in the world as a solution to that worldview that they saw, and therefore you saw across North Africa, of course. Beginning with the 2009 speech in June of 2009 in Cairo, Egypt, that the President, Obama at the time, gave to an audience at Cairo University, sponsored or co-sponsored by Al-Azhar University. The Muslim Brotherhood right in the front row.

Barry Nussbaum: Everybody called it the apology tour.

Clare Lopez: Well, that was the beginning but what I'm saying here is that he began to lay out his vision there for what he was going to do, to your point, to your question, and he signaled that he would assist Islam to replace the influence and power of the United States across the Middle East, North Africa region. Across North Africa, of course, the Islamic uprising of 2010/2011, mostly Sunni there. So that was for the Sunnis. Under the Obama administration, we, the United States, actively aided and abetted al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood to overthrow our allies in the then called a global war on terror. Ben Ali in Tunisia and Moammar Gadhafi in Libya and Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. But over to the east and coming there to the Persian Gulf region and that sort of heartland of Islam, Iran, and the Shiites, were the power or at least Barack Obama intended to be sure that they would be and to withdraw and pull back American power and influence and allow that gap to be filled by Iran. As you just said, Barry assisting Iran not only to gain credibility and influence but financially with these, you know, huge infusions of cash on pallets but more importantly, about 150 billion dollars unfrozen from banks around the world, especially in East Asia, like Japan and India. That's where that money came from, it's Iranian money, but it had been frozen under the Obama administration it became unfrozen and then, of course, the misbegotten Iran nuclear deal, the JCPOA joint comprehensive plan of action. Not a treaty, not an agreement, a plan of action, by the way, not signed by a single person on any page of it. But it gave Iran not only cover for its clandestine nuclear weapons program, which wasn't even addressed, or its missile ballistic missile program not even addressed, but it gave it a glide path to a deliverable nuclear weapon in the agreement itself for the overt program that people now knew about. So the intent was to withdraw American power and influence because it was viewed as a force for ill in the world and allow that to be replaced by Islam. Domestically too, which we can get to, but that's abroad.

Barry Nussbaum: I want to thank both of you for coming on today in light of the fact that America will be remembering our dead and how the world changed 19 years ago. Bill, tell people how they can find out about you and what you do, would you please?

Dr. Bill Warner: I have a Web site called PoliticalIslam.com. You can see my videos, newsletters, books, the whole nine yards. And by the way, I don't really sell books. I teach I sell educational systems. They're designed for you to educate yourself so that you, too, can know what Mohammed said and did and understand the mind of Allah.

Barry Nussbaum: Excellent. How about you, Clare, where can people find you?

Clare Lopez: Well, I don't yet have a website, but you can find much of my writing, my videos, and other presentations online at a couple of different websites. One is at theUnitedWest.com and its partner, ShariaCrimestoppers.com. I'm also posted up at the Citizen's Commission on National Security. Many of my presentations are cross-posted with Brandon House at WorldViewWeekend.com, and I am online on social media at Clare M Lopez, on Twitter, on Parley, and on Facebook same my name and eventually, I hope to have a website.

Barry Nussbaum: And both of you are on American Truth Project.org, and we're very happy to have you. For those viewers out there that have not yet subscribed to our text message alert system, I would encourage you to take out your cell phone and type the word truth T-R-U-T-H and send it to 88202. You'll be automatically subscribed to the free service that gets you brilliant insight like Dr. Bill and Clare's joining us today on this show and all of our future stuff. We never charge for content. If you're a little more old fashioned, you can go to Americantruthproject.org and sign up to be on our mailing list there, and you'll get the same stuff for free in your email. For ATP Report, thanks for joining us today. I'm Barry Nussbaum.


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