Barry Nussbaum: Hello and welcome to ATP Report. It is the Katie and Barry show. Joining me live from London, England, is my delightful partner in crime, Katie Hopkins. Hi, Katie.

Katie Hopkins: Hi, Barry. It’s been a few days since I’ve seen you now. I’ve kind of missed you over Christmas.

Barry Nussbaum: I couldn’t agree more. It’s great to be back with you. Before we get started, I want to remind our viewers in the US to please text the word TRUTH to 88202. We want to send you an excerpt from my new book Because You Asked.

We’ll send it to you for free. If you want to sign up to get it through our website, you can go to americantruthproject.org and sign up there. We’ll send you the same free stuff. So, Katie, it’s the end of 2020, thankfully. What’s your favorite moment of the year?

Katie Hopkins: Well, I think two. Number one, Barry, my favorite moment is that our beautiful colleague here at ATP Report has created a website, not just for me, but for all of our lovely British audience. They can now go to americatruthproject.co.uk.

Which for us Brits is an ending we know. ATP, americantruthproject.co.uk. So, we are now officially part of your family. In terms of 2020, we all know, and we’ve heard it said enough, it has been a difficult year. But actually, when I look back, I didn’t just see darkness at all. For me, there’s been a lot of learning for our side.

I have to say, the three months I spent on the road campaigning for Trump from the West Coast to the East Coast and back again is absolutely one of the most special memories of my lifetime. I don’t say that from a selfish perspective.

I mean it from the joy of the people I met, the joy of our side. The farmers in Minnesota standing in the cornfields who knew exactly how the Democrats were at work. How they ripped the heart out of a place and made it blue when actually the place is red—to the Beverly Hills rallies, walking down Rodeo Drive with thousands of Trump supporters in Beverly Hills, the police absolutely cheering us on, that to me is 2020.

Despite the gloom and horror of the election and the result such as it is at the moment. The joy of our side is absolutely the thing that stays with me. It continues to fill me with a sense of positivity. I feel that the spirit of America cannot be defeated. I feel that because I’ve stood amongst it.

Barry Nussbaum: I have a similar feeling about the year. From a political perspective, my highlight was the massive rallies of people who came out of their homes and their businesses from coast to coast for these monster rallies.

These are people that have not been politically active in the past. They got engaged when they thought and, by the way, rightly so, that the future of their country was truly at issue. In other words, it’s not just—Do you want to vote for this guy or that guy?

The guy who came out to support these monster rallies of 10,000, 20,000, and 50,000 day after day, literally to show their support for a concept of America that has been and continues to be under attack and I believe truly is in jeopardy.

If that many people on such a large scale in so many places can be energized enough to get off the couch and stand in the pouring rain or be at a rally in line at seven in the morning for a start time at five p.m. sometimes sleeping over in their cars or standing up all night, it’s got to give you hope that a lot of people truly, truly, in the depths of their soul, have a warm spot for the future of America.

Katie Hopkins: Right. I wish I could show you my little goosebumps. The little hairs on my arms are standing on end. That’s exactly it. That’s the articulation of exactly how we feel at home when we are together in those places.

I know in 2021, no matter what, we’re going to do those things again because when we feel at home is when we’re surrounded by each other, we love that feeling, and we’re going to find it again.

I know it for sure. But what about the other side of things, Barry, what about hard things, the things that have been really difficult? If you had to pick something that you found the most difficult this year?

Barry Nussbaum: Without a doubt. I never thought I would live to see the day where an election was so dramatically illegally run, in state after state after state. The likes of which I can’t believe got pulled off.

Seven key states, where we went to bed on election night, and you and I have talked about this. On November 3rd, Trump was winning by a landslide. A few hours later, after we’re in bed, they send home all the observers and all the vote counters.

Then during the night, millions of ballots were discovered and or tabulated or ran through the machines, half a dozen times. I mean, the affidavits are now in the thousands, and it’s a mountain of evidence.

I never thought I would see something like this, and after 40 plus years in politics, thank goodness I’ve only seen it once, and this is the year I saw it. It’s really disruptive to my belief and trust in the American way. As a political wonk, like I am and you are, it’s hurtful that it could be pulled off in public and gotten away with.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, I completely understand. Of course, that’s sort of thing we all are pivoting around, and that’s the sort of the fulcrum of the focus for all of us. I think for me, it hasn’t so much just been as we head into another massive lockdown in a couple of days here.

They’re about to put us under curfew as well, probably. For me, obviously, the stealing of the election is right up there. But for me, I think it’s also the willingness of my fellow countrymen to lie down and be complicit and absolutely compliant with the state. When the government said, “Right, COVID is here, we’re locking you down.”

They were glad to be locked down. They were glad to take and are glad to take state money. Many aren’t fighting anything or resisting anything and are willing to report on their neighbors. As we speak here, they are calling for the arrest of a journalist who was publishing true and honest data about an actual number of deaths.

That’s been my disappointment. I felt like the backbone of Britain was stronger than that. Actually, I found I’m surrounded often by cowards, and finding out your neighbors in that sense are cowards has been upsetting.

Barry Nussbaum: My big takeaway for the year is very similar to that. Personally, I’m scared that the future in America is going to hold more shocks that are going to lead to more destruction of our constitutional rights.

People don’t realize that the Constitution’s purpose is to protect its citizenry from its own government. That is what it’s supposed to do to preserve your rights against the taking by the government. I’m so concerned that people don’t realize that.

The next shock, whatever it’s going to be, and I guarantee there’ll be another one, will lead to the destruction of more constitutional rights. It’s as if the sheep are being trained to walk into the pen and allow the door to be locked behind them. You’re commenting on what’s going on in the UK. It’s going on here, too, and that scares the hell out of me.

Katie Hopkins: Absolutely. I think that’s one of if we were to take learnings from this year, 2020, without being almost kind of schoolmarm about it. What’s the learning? I think for me, it is something about the complacency that maybe you would say about yourself, or I would say, “Oh, I’ve been, you know, I’m up to date on the news.”

I’m up to date. I’ve got a feeling of where we’re headed. I can sense where we’re at. None of us saw this. That doesn’t matter if you’re a follower of Levin or Hannity or Bongino or whomever you follow. No one saw this.

No matter how wise we think we are, how smart, how many hours we spend watching news outlets, we didn’t see this little trick coming. It’s that complacency that makes me go, “Right. We need to be on red alert all the time as we push into next year, I think.” Do you have a similar sort of learning to take you forward, or is it different?

Barry Nussbaum: No, I feel the same way. We need to be, I guess, mirrors of the Minutemen in the 1770s. Where you are constantly vigilant, and you’re constantly on guard because if you don’t act that way and aren’t prepared to fight for your rights, there is going to be somebody knocking on the door to take those rights away from you.

Not just in the US, not just in the UK, but in all of the Western world. That concerns me the most. I hope and pray that vigilant people will stay vigilant to protect their future rights before their rights are gone and taken from them.

Katie Hopkins: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely I’m with you, Barry. I think if there’s one thing we’ve learned is that our family, our network matters. I think that’s why you and I ask people, look, we’re not forcing anything.

You don’t have to agree with us. We’re not asking you to sign up for our opinions. But if you want to just stay in touch to be part of our network, that’s why we’re asking people to text or go to the website.

Barry Nussbaum: Absolutely. Great segue. So, for all of our audience out there. Please, if you haven’t subscribed yet, it’s always free. Just text the word TRUTH to 88202. You’re going to get some free chapters of my new book, Because You Asked, which has some stuff in it on this subject specifically.

You’ll get all of our future content from Katie and Barry, and everybody else that’s part of the ATP family. Thanks, Katie, for joining me, and thank you out there in ATP Land for ATP Report on Barry Nussbaum.